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Anyone running a 218/230/114 lsa have an idle clip?

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Old 07-18-2009, 12:01 PM
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Default Anyone running a 218/230/114 lsa have an idle clip?

Preferably in a 383
Old 07-18-2009, 12:09 PM
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Just wondering, why you were going with such a small cam? I know someone with a cam very close to those specs in a 383, u dont even know its cammed. Peak hp ~5k and Peak Tq ~3k(no powerband) and its about .4-.6 slower than a barely bolt on car. In no way am i trying to put you down. Just giving some food for thought.
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Originally Posted by strokin93z
Just wondering, why you were going with such a small cam? I know someone with a cam very close to those specs in a 383, u dont even know its cammed. Peak hp ~5k and Peak Tq ~3k(no powerband) and its about .4-.6 slower than a barely bolt on car. In no way am i trying to put you down. Just giving some food for thought.
I'm building a blower engine and I don't like a lot of cam surge.

How can it be slower than a bolt on car, it's still more aggressive than a stock cam or even hot cam (not that that's saying much)?
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That is going to sound stock.
You could go with a 112-3LSA and with good tuning still have it sound stock but not be so compromised.

I am guessing emissions testing is what is prompting the rediculously wide LSA???

I don't think we have run into eachother yet. If you want I can shoot you a PM when I am coming down to GLD always good to see a few quick LT1 cars together. Someone local wants to test out his new AI topend on his 383.
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Its clearly a blower/nitrous cam with the very wide exhaust favored split and 114 LSA.

It won't be much on motor, especially in a 383. Numbers at .050 don't mean much in the big picture, but it has negative overlap @ .050...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-KnTCCWIXk

This is mine. 220/230 .544 .544 114 LSA
Is that close enough?
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Originally Posted by Puck
Its clearly a blower/nitrous cam with the very wide exhaust favored split and 114 LSA.

It won't be much on motor, especially in a 383. Numbers at .050 don't mean much in the big picture, but it has negative overlap @ .050...

I did not see the blower reply till after I posted, guess I type slow.

That said I would call it is misguided attempt at a blower/nitrous cam.
Sucks there is so much bad info out there.

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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
I did not see the bloer reply till after I posted, guess I type slow.

That said I would call it is misguided attempt at a blower/nitrous cam.
Sucks there is so much bad info out there.
I didn't realize you were an expert all the sudden on camshaft designs.

Roxy, I reccomend I custom Joe O cam, designed specifically for your needs and will outperform any other cam in the universe
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I am not an expert, I just know enough to identify that as a missguided attempt.

I do think a custom Joe O. grind would be better, others could do better than this too not just Joe.

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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
I am not an expert, I just know enough to identify that as a missguided attempt.
Sorry but how can you tell anything about that cam working in a blower just by the .050 numbers??? A pro may be able to estimate its performance with the cam card showing the valve events and lobes used, but any of us guessing by .050 numbers is just a shot in the dark.

It won't bleed off any boost at least, thats for sure.
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Originally Posted by mdacton
I didn't realize you were an expert all the sudden on camshaft designs.

Roxy, I reccomend I custom Joe O cam, designed specifically for your needs and will outperform any other cam in the universe
I like my little Joe O. cam, but what makes you think he's the one to ask for a blower cam? Just curious.
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Joe may or may not be the best to ask that question of but he would be better than what has been posted sofar. As I said, just so much bad info out there. It pretty much invariably leads people astray when trying to spec their own cam. People only post half the info generalizations like "wider LSA makes for a wider powerband" ignoring any effort to post where "wider" is in reference too was it based on a 106 starting point or a 114.

I know enough to say "I don't know" and call someone I trust that does.
I have never done any business with Joe and honestly don't ever intend too BUT that said he is clearly above average on his understanding of LT1 performance so I would put faioth in him before a lot of the bigger vendors people trust.
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Here is what I know about it. The 214/224 blower cam that comp sells is tough to beat on most cars unless you want to get some more rpm out of it. It drives absolutely great. You wont hear it, but do you need to? Performance is performance regardless of what it sounds like.
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i would get ur info together on ur engine build and contact several people that grind cams and get there feed back on ur info check their numbers they give u against the cam u have selected and do some thinking. think twice buy once!
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Why jerk companies around milking them for information? Pick someone you trust and run with that.
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Well, this thread turned out interesting...

I didn't really want cam advice so much, I just wanted to hear what the cam sounded like.

Like I said I don't want a lot of cam surge. I want a near stockish sound, maybe a slight chop but no lope. That's it.

That said I will probably go with a custom grind.
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You might know Ron(juicedimpss on a couple forums), guy who had a 96 Impala for awhile? He had a Lingenfelter 211/219 112 cam in his car and with a raised idle it sounded stock performed wonderfully too.

That said folks worry about choppy idle and surge a bit too much, you can have a pretty big cam before those things become real issues IF the cam is spec'd responsibly and the car tuned well.

Lots of cars sound nasty either because the owner wanted the sound and kept the idle low or because of bad tuning.

With 4.10s and a 383 you should be able to go up into the 230s on a 112lsa before surge is an issue.
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Originally Posted by Z28Roxy
Well, this thread turned out interesting...

I didn't really want cam advice so much, I just wanted to hear what the cam sounded like.

Like I said I don't want a lot of cam surge. I want a near stockish sound, maybe a slight chop but no lope. That's it.

That said I will probably go with a custom grind.
I posted a vid with close cam specs and a near stock idle.
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I was joking...Joe has not done cams in years.


If I was you I would contact bullet cams and give them the info they ask for and use the cam they send you. No need to BS it.....they put out WAYYwayy more fast cars than some of the other places. I would trust them to do what you need.
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Originally Posted by mdacton
I was joking...Joe has not done cams in years.


If I was you I would contact bullet cams and give them the info they ask for and use the cam they send you. No need to BS it.....they put out WAYYwayy more fast cars than some of the other places. I would trust them to do what you need.
Actually there have been a few cams spec'd by him in the last few years, but that is neither here nor there.


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