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Old 07-31-2010, 02:01 AM
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I just got home from the track. DA 2986....80 degrees, 89% humidity.

Right off the trailer first pass ever with this combo this was the best pass of the night:

1.629 60 ft
4.775 330ft
7.446 1/8th
91.80 mph

The track started sweating (from a rain earlier today) and became pretty worthless

The rest of the Night I ran consistant 7.50s with a high 1.7 60 ft. I couldnt get the car to hook for anything was was spining through 1st and part of 2nd most passes.

These were on 26x10.5/15 hoosier qtp tires with 12psi on a 10"wide draglite. Any thing higher I was blowing through 1st and 2nd.

I know there's more left in this setup. The car has 100% stock suspension and even has the front sway bar. Can someone point me in the right direction to get this thing to hook up?

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LCA relocation brackets
comp 3 way adj shocks
boxed lower control arm
I have an adj. BMR Torque arm thats not installed as well.

My mph seems kinda low, I need to figure converter slip. I was going through the traps at about 5600-5800 rpm around 92mph
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Nice run! That was about 11.70 11.80 1/4! As far as hooking up 1.62 is very good! Control arms and torque arm will help
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How much power are you making? You should be traping a lot higher than that in the 1/8th.
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Have you checked your pinion angle?
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Not bad at all for the first time out!! Congrats!
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Pinion angle is -1.5.

I know the mph is low, I actually just checked the converter slip on all my slips.....It varried from 22-26%. I think Ill have to make a call monday. It should be 7-10%. Im not sure how much that will improve my mph and time. But hopefully Ill see something from it.

Speed demon, I made 388 rwhp and 381 rwtq Unlocked. We were fighting some converter problems on the dyno as well
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Originally Posted by 355z28
Pinion angle is -1.5.

I know the mph is low, I actually just checked the converter slip on all my slips.....It varried from 22-26%. I think Ill have to make a call monday. It should be 7-10%. Im not sure how much that will improve my mph and time. But hopefully Ill see something from it.

Speed demon, I made 388 rwhp and 381 rwtq Unlocked. We were fighting some converter problems on the dyno as well
Hopefully the converter fixes it. I would expect upper 90's in the 1/8th with that setup at full weight.
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Thats what im hoping. I was hoping to trap around 94-96mph
The cam isnt real aggressive, its 236/244 on 112 with only .570 lift. So killer NA numbers arent real expecter, but id like to get it down to the 7.1-7.20 area.
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You should be able to get your 60' in the 1.5's easy with some suspension work. Lose the front swaybar first, install the aftermarket torquearm@-(2-3)degrees, add an airbag in the right rear spring and get some more passes on it. I don't think you should have a problem running 96-98mph once everything is lined out. When my car used to run 7.40's in the 1/8th , that came out to 11.60's in the 1/4mile and with those high DA's you had that isn't too bad for the first time out. Goodluck
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What does the airbag do in the right spring? Im new to setting this thing up.

THanks A lot Clint.
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keeps the passenger side from squatting as much, from the torque...

basicly stiffens the suspesion so it stabs the rearend it to the ground intead of the spring absorbing the energy.
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I assumed thats what its for, would I benefit running 2 bags and comp or summit drag shocks in the rear?
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pull the front sway bar and leave from a dead idle. Should see some 1.58-1.60 60 fts. Some drag shocks will help too. Set the rear on the stiffest settings.

Not bad for the being in the heat. I would look into the trans/converter slipping and see why there is 20-24% slippage. Anything over 10% is BAD and gonna kill ET and MPH.

The 7.44 and 92 match up pretty well but if the trans/converter is slipping that much, it might "only" run that ET because the converter is slipping and causing that MPH.

If you remove the front sway bar and go back to the track in 3 months with no other changes . . it will be at least 2 tenths and 2 MPH faster due to teh cooler weather. Not that I would go back with no changes but the heat really effects things and the car will not run its fastest pass the first time at the track or in this heat.

First thing to address will be the converter/trans slippage and see what is up with that.

You could swap in a 6 speed and pick up 3-5 MPH but run 5-6 tenths slower. An auto trans car will always trap lower MPH than a 6 speed car. Some 6 speed cars will 60 ft well but the average car with average mods and average driver will be getting a 1.800-2.00 60 ft compared the the average A-4/3600 stall car that will 60 ft in the 1.50-1.65 range.
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I love how people claim auto's are killing their mph by huge amounts to justify their track times. Auto's don't hurt 1/8th traps nearly as much as they hurt 1/4 trap speeds. I did a t56 swap in my car and I only gained 3mph in the 1/4 over my slipping 4l60e that was hitting the limiter before shifts and shifting well past where my cam was getting valve float. If the tranny wasn't slipping I'm sure it would have been a very marginal gain in mph if any at all. A claim of picking up 3-5mph in the 1/8th with a simple tranny swap is laughable.
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People with autos complain about low MPH as much as 6 speed owners complain about slower ET's. They hold the same amount of water.

Take it for what it is worth.
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Originally Posted by NightTrain66
People with autos complain about low MPH as much as 6 speed owners complain about slower ET's. They hold the same amount of water.

Take it for what it is worth.
From first hand experience auto mph isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. I'll leave the 6-speed launching comments to the people who actually have their cars setup for the track since I have no experience with that.
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comp 3 way adj shocks
boxed lower control arm
I have an adj. BMR Torque arm thats not installed as well

yes to all above and disconnect the front sway bar next time your at the track! Try this and see what happens. I bet 1.5s
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
I'll leave the 6-speed launching comments to the people who actually have their cars setup for the track since I have no experience with that.
My car is far from set up for the track. One setup with the LPE heads and 211 cam, stock torque arm, Hotchkis LCA's/relocation brackets, 4.10 gears on BFG Drag radials it was able to produce 1.70 60' times. After putting in the 3.73 gears it was in the 1.75 range. Anyone who races on a well prepped track with a good tire and can't get less than a 1.8 60' w/ heads/cam/M6/gears to complement setup is doing it wrong. I reckon if what is listed is too elaborate then "average" needs to be defined.
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i have the exact same came, in a 11.7 396 and i put down 410 rwhp and only 347 rwtq unlocked, how is that possible? lol

nice times though man, thats pretty bad slip you should be at like 95 mph when its sorted out
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Unlocked converters do interesting things. I dont think Im pushing out any crazy numbers. But I do believe there's more left in it.



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