LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

Stock heads and thinner gaskets

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-26-2011, 04:11 PM
  #1  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
 
food nd cars's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 452
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Stock heads and thinner gaskets

I'm gathering the parts for the cam swap and have decided to swap out the head gaskets while i'm in there. I honestly don't know much about quench and compression ratio even though i have tried to do some research.
What do i need to know about this process.
I am planning on running the stock heads just refreshed and resurfaced and have been reading about using the .029 impala gaskets.
Questions are what would my CR be? What length pushrods would work? Any additional info so i could get a decent mail order tune would be great or any info that anyone has would be great.
also my cam of choice is LE 224/230 .573/.568.
I understand there are a lot of other factors that come into play but i need to start somewhere.
Old 04-26-2011, 05:27 PM
  #2  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
 
food nd cars's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 452
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

anyone?
Old 04-26-2011, 08:25 PM
  #3  
On The Tree
iTrader: (6)
 
andysc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Newport NC
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

do a search and you will see alot of information about impala head gaskets on a fbody. It will raise your compression alittle to about 10.9 ish (stock is 10.4). It will also improve your quench, but not as much as when you do a rebuild and have the pistons flush with the top of the engine block. Stock pistons are down in the hole about .30 I think. So quench will be improved, but the added compression is what works for you. These gaskets have been used for years and were one of the first mods for fbodies when they were new. So check it out. I will be doing this exact mod in the next couple of weeks.

hth

andy schuck
Old 04-26-2011, 11:59 PM
  #4  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
 
food nd cars's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 452
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

will stock pushrod length be fine?
Old 04-27-2011, 10:39 AM
  #5  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
 
food nd cars's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 452
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

cmon i used search! i just need to know if stock pushrod length will work.
Old 04-27-2011, 10:56 AM
  #6  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (4)
 
Gojira94's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Clayton, NC
Posts: 1,197
Received 36 Likes on 32 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by food nd cars
cmon i used search! i just need to know if stock pushrod length will work.
Stock gasket is .046", IIRC. Impala gasket is .027", IIRC. So that's a change of about .019" altogether. If that was a 1:1 change to pushrod length, then no... but it's not quite a 1:1 proposition due to the geometry, but so close as to not be significant. So stock pushrod length of 7.2" will be so close that it won't make a difference. Or have a set made at 7.18"

Somebody stop me if I'm wrong...
Old 04-27-2011, 12:09 PM
  #7  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
 
litch2004's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Austin
Posts: 1,782
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I did this with .028 gaskets, heads milled .012, ls7 lifters and 1.6rr and my pushrods are 7.0 . But if you are going with a cam and rr you might as well do nsa rr with guide plates and hardened pushrods. In that case it is cheap insurance to measure them out (tool is less than $20) then order correct length. all cars are different once mods are done and its only an educated guess as to your pushrods length. Sure this will set you back a few extra days but at least it will be done right.
Old 04-27-2011, 07:47 PM
  #8  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
 
food nd cars's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 452
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by litch2004
I did this with .028 gaskets, heads milled .012, ls7 lifters and 1.6rr and my pushrods are 7.0 . But if you are going with a cam and rr you might as well do nsa rr with guide plates and hardened pushrods. In that case it is cheap insurance to measure them out (tool is less than $20) then order correct length. all cars are different once mods are done and its only an educated guess as to your pushrods length. Sure this will set you back a few extra days but at least it will be done right.
**** i didnt account for the heads being milled during resurfacing .. i guess i'll pick up a comp cams PR measuring tool
Old 04-27-2011, 08:28 PM
  #9  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (11)
 
merim123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Chitown, IL
Posts: 1,883
Received 16 Likes on 14 Posts

Default

pick up some test springs too so you don't end up compressing that lifter and getting a bad reading or use a solid lifter.
Old 04-27-2011, 08:59 PM
  #10  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
 
food nd cars's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 452
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

if the head is not milled and just cleaned could i use the stock PR length?
Old 04-27-2011, 09:49 PM
  #11  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (11)
 
merim123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Chitown, IL
Posts: 1,883
Received 16 Likes on 14 Posts

Default

the only way to know for sure is to check. you don't need a special tool if you have the 7.2 already. just do the sharpie method with a test spring.
Old 04-28-2011, 06:03 AM
  #12  
10 Second Club
 
joelster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,630
Received 26 Likes on 17 Posts

Default

The stock pushrod length will be fine if you are simply swapping gaskets. The difference is negligible.

However, in your case you are going with a much more aggressive cam. You should measure and then order a new set of chromoly pushrods for your application. When I swapped to the comp 503 cam, I went with a 7.3" trickflow chromoly set. I was also running some aftermarket rockers which can effect the pushrod length needed. Pushrods are dirt cheap, even for real good ones. No point in skimping on them.



Quick Reply: Stock heads and thinner gaskets



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:50 AM.