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Old 05-08-2012, 11:23 PM   #1
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Default Excellent cam on Stock heads? need help

I am looking for the guys who run great power with their cam on stock heads, If your car is described above, please PM me or write below because i am looking to keep my stock head for now and run a nice cam that makes excellent power top and bottom. Please let me know what you have and I would like to talk to you.

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You'll probably find that the XE503 is overwhelmingly the best off-the-shelf choice for stock headed combos.
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You could sell the worthless hypertech, aftermarket MAF, 58 and 48mm BBK throttle bodies and get springs, a 503 and a tune with money to spare.
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I've have the comp 502 with 1.6 roller rockers stock heads with better springs and retainers. I love it good fat power right where I use it and I don't have to spin it too hard it does run out of breath about 5900 rpm.
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With great power comes great responsibility.


The venerable ZZ4.
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You could sell the worthless hypertech, aftermarket MAF, 58 and 48mm BBK throttle bodies and get springs, a 503 and a tune with money to spare.
And run what TB? makes no sense to sell both, I don't need spare money I just don't want to dump that much in it right now all at once.
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This is what Lloyd Elliott recommended for my car with my set up

If you do not need to pass emissions, I would use a 228/236 .574/.571 110 LSa cam It will keep you pinned in the seat til 6300 RPM (about as high as you would wanna take a stock bottom end LT1).

If you do need to pass an emissions "sniff test), I would use a 224/230 .573/.568 112 LSA cam.

$300 shipped for a custom cam.

Looks like I might go with this custom cam
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Then he said I would need these as well

I sell a set of crane dbl springs, retainers, locks, shims and seals for $250 shipped that will work great.
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, I would use a 228/236 .574/.571 110

that cam above is what I used 2 years ago on a bone stock long block with stock a4 and 3.23 gear with a 3600 stall. I had the car lightened and it ran low 12s all day on motor. Then sprayed the **** out of it. The car ran very well being cam only.
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This is what Lloyd Elliott recommended for my car with my set up

If you do not need to pass emissions, I would use a 228/236 .574/.571 110 LSa cam It will keep you pinned in the seat til 6300 RPM (about as high as you would wanna take a stock bottom end LT1).
This with stock (assuming unported) heads??? Are you sure???
Cant see it on unported stock heads but could be wrong.
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This is what Lloyd Elliott recommended for my car with my set up

If you do not need to pass emissions, I would use a 228/236 .574/.571 110 LSa cam It will keep you pinned in the seat til 6300 RPM (about as high as you would wanna take a stock bottom end LT1).

If you do need to pass an emissions "sniff test), I would use a 224/230 .573/.568 112 LSA cam.

$300 shipped for a custom cam.

Looks like I might go with this custom cam
Thats a sweet fukn grind.
I'd def...get the crane double springs and swap them out right there in the engine bay....don't know about the seals and such...I say skip em...and step up to roller rockers 1.7 all the way around that's gonna get that lift into the .600 territory.

What's your mileage? If its not too high..you could revisit the seals later if you rip the heads off and have them ported.
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This with stock (assuming unported) heads??? Are you sure???
Cant see it on unported stock heads but could be wrong.
^There's a guy on here with a bigger cam than that (Lunati voodoo 60122 231/239) with stock heads who made 380 rwhp FWIW....
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Thats a sweet fukn grind.
I'd def...get the crane double springs and swap them out right there in the engine bay....don't know about the seals and such...I say skip em...and step up to roller rockers 1.7 all the way around that's gonna get that lift into the .600 territory.

What's your mileage? If its not too high..you could revisit the seals later if you rip the heads off and have them ported.
I have 125K on my camaro. I will have to ask him about that, I mean I would have to get new timing chain and such also
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This with stock (assuming unported) heads??? Are you sure???
Cant see it on unported stock heads but could be wrong.
Yea i told him what I had and this is what he recommended to me. yes my heads are unported. Well lets hope for the best.
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i have a LE 226/234 565/565 111lsa....very happy with it.

drives like stock with a bit of lope. i would consider it. AI makes something very very close...226/234 574/578 or something.


that is as big as you want to go with stock heads IMO.......sure you can run a cc306 but it wont really make any more power than the 226/234 and you will need to rev it to the moon.


in short, call LE or AI, they will cut you something exactly for you needs/setup.
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the 58m TB isnt helping you....nor would it with the cam...

once you have a GOOD set of heads you will want it than. So now the money could be put towards the cam/springs/timing chain/rockers/etc etc


also, 125k..... may not be the best idea to cam a motor like that. but its your car so........
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On another note the 58 mm T/B isnt hurting him either.
My cousin is running the Taboo GM847 on a stock bottom end, stock head LT1 (6-speed), and guess what, the car didn't melt to the ground the first time he stasrted it!!!
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I have 125K on my camaro. I will have to ask him about that, I mean I would have to get new timing chain and such also
Thats not great but not too bad if u dont smoke when u start up then i might skip the seals. Ideally you'd get rid of the stocker water pump in favor of the electric...and run a double roller chain from gen1 sbc.

But you would have to revisit the seals prob...later when you should get them ported.

You might want to do a compression test on the cylinders to see how well your sealing before you buy a cam as 125K depending on how well it was treated could be worst or better varying from engine to engine. You'll have some info to help u make a decision then based on your wear. Remember you'll be increasing cylinder pressures.
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On another note the 58 mm T/B isnt hurting him either.
My cousin is running the Taboo GM847 on a stock bottom end, stock head LT1 (6-speed), and guess what, the car didn't melt to the ground the first time he stasrted it!!!
That cam is ILL. Kicks aftermarket asses left and right. Who'd dare accuse GM eng..of such witchly feats??
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I will be looking into the Lloyd Elliot cam myself...
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