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Old 02-09-2014, 02:46 PM
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First of all, I'm new to the forums so hey everybody!

Now my 93 Z28 won't start, Im assuming and I'm pretty positive its the optispark. But i was wondering if anyone else had any ideas. It turns over, won't start, and a week before it stopped running it would stall. Sometimes i could start it back up and sometimes i would have to wait 3 minutes before it would start again. So at first i thought maybe the fuel filter was clogged so i replaced that, and it still wouldn't start. So now I'm stuck thinking its the distributor
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Originally Posted by 93camroZ28
First of all, I'm new to the forums so hey everybody!

Now my 93 Z28 won't start, Im assuming and I'm pretty positive its the optispark. But i was wondering if anyone else had any ideas. It turns over, won't start, and a week before it stopped running it would stall. Sometimes i could start it back up and sometimes i would have to wait 3 minutes before it would start again. So at first i thought maybe the fuel filter was clogged so i replaced that, and it still wouldn't start. So now I'm stuck thinking its the distributor
Do you have fuel pressure?
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Originally Posted by 93camroZ28
First of all, I'm new to the forums so hey everybody!

Now my 93 Z28 won't start, Im assuming and I'm pretty positive its the optispark. But i was wondering if anyone else had any ideas. It turns over, won't start, and a week before it stopped running it would stall. Sometimes i could start it back up and sometimes i would have to wait 3 minutes before it would start again. So at first i thought maybe the fuel filter was clogged so i replaced that, and it still wouldn't start. So now I'm stuck thinking its the distributor
The ICM going bad will cause that sometimes too, they are known to cause random starting issues, random stalling, or just completely take a dump. I've been through 3 or 4 of those over the years Check the fuel pressure as mentioned, then diagnose the ignition: ICM, coil, then opti.
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Originally Posted by ahritchie
The ICM going bad will cause that sometimes too, they are known to cause random starting issues, random stalling, or just completely take a dump. I've been through 3 or 4 of those over the years Check the fuel pressure as mentioned, then diagnose the ignition: ICM, coil, then opti.
Wow i actually never thought that it could be the ICM. I thought those normally go when its like really hot out? I was driving around in snow when it died and wouldn't start up again. But all the symptoms match up to the ICM. Sooooo, the opti may not be the problem, right? I had no spark. And its nothing to do with the fuel pressure, i figured that out.

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Originally Posted by 93camroZ28
Wow i actually never thought that it could be the ICM. I thought those normally go when its like really hot out? I was driving around in snow when it died and wouldn't start up again. But all the symptoms match up to the ICM. Sooooo, the opti may not be the problem, right? I had no spark. And its nothing to do with the fuel pressure, i figured that out.
They can go bad regardless of temperature, I believe auto parts stores can test them, they are much cheaper and easier to replace than an opti for sure. Then again it could possibly be the opti too....is random stalling and having to wait to restart it the only symptom? Scan it for codes and see if you get the 3 opti codes of death: http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ing_modifying/
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Originally Posted by ahritchie
They can go bad regardless of temperature, I believe auto parts stores can test them, they are much cheaper and easier to replace than an opti for sure. Then again it could possibly be the opti too....is random stalling and having to wait to restart it the only symptom? Scan it for codes and see if you get the 3 opti codes of death: http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ing_modifying/
Well it ended up being the icm. I went out on a limb and bought one and replaced it. It started right up even though it hasn't ran in two months. Stalled out twice though . It did it first when i was driving normally(25 mph) and once when i was doing a burnout lol. I was able to drive back to my house nor problem after those stalls. It also has no oil pressure. Im assuming its low on oil, I'm going to check tomorrow morning after it has cooled off
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Also the oil pressure is pretty bad. I thought I was low on oil but I wasn't :/, I have 5w 30 in it right now. Should I switch to a different weight?
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Originally Posted by 93camroZ28
Well it ended up being the icm. I went out on a limb and bought one and replaced it. It started right up even though it hasn't ran in two months. Stalled out twice though . It did it first when i was driving normally(25 mph) and once when i was doing a burnout lol. I was able to drive back to my house nor problem after those stalls. It also has no oil pressure. Im assuming its low on oil, I'm going to check tomorrow morning after it has cooled off
No oil pressure at all?! Are you sure the gauge hasn't gone bad? I'd stop driving it if it hasn't already died. How many miles? May be time for a rebuild or a trip to the junkyard for a lower mileage engine...
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no oil pressure.... and you wonder why its dying....
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Originally Posted by ahritchie
No oil pressure at all?! Are you sure the gauge hasn't gone bad? I'd stop driving it if it hasn't already died. How many miles? May be time for a rebuild or a trip to the junkyard for a lower mileage engine...
I think i may of exaggerated how low the oil pressure is. Its actually has gone back up.
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Update: Replaced coil tonight. Car started right up. I think it might be running better also. The old coil was beat to f*ck. All rusted and whatnot. With a new ICM and coil i think the stalling problems are done(I hope). I tried driving around my town(which is 1 square mile so i didn't go too far) as much as i could. Back when i replaced the ICM, i couldn't even make it a couple blocks. Tonight i drove around with no problem. It hesitated to start once after i had parked and went a store for about 10 minutes, thats all i really can think of.

The low oil pressure problem doesn't seem too bad anymore.

Sputtering seems to still be occurring.

Im going to see how it goes over the weekend.
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For the Opti going bad, you will almost certainly be throwing a code. Is your MIL on? Someone asked before but you never indicated otherwise.

I have just recently had the experience of a bad fuel pressure regulator where it would cause a no start condition on my LT1. I would take a peek at your fuel pressure. See what you get when you prime, when you crank and when you are running. All three should be in and around 41-45 lbs if you are running a stock fuel setup.

How low are we talking about oil pressure? Is the engine warm when this happens? How many miles does it have?
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Originally Posted by LT1FirebirdSLP
For the Opti going bad, you will almost certainly be throwing a code. Is your MIL on? Someone asked before but you never indicated otherwise.

I have just recently had the experience of a bad fuel pressure regulator where it would cause a no start condition on my LT1. I would take a peek at your fuel pressure. See what you get when you prime, when you crank and when you are running. All three should be in and around 41-45 lbs if you are running a stock fuel setup.

How low are we talking about oil pressure? Is the engine warm when this happens? How many miles does it have?
^Not true about the opti throwing codes, they often fail with no codes which is why they are such a delight to troubleshoot.
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^Not true about the opti throwing codes, they often fail with no codes which is why they are such a delight to troubleshoot.
So ive come to the conclusion its something to do with the fuel pressure. Ive done everything ignition wise possible besides opti. Its running great beside the fact it stalls. It always stalls at operating temperature. So ive been driving around with my heat on blast. Oddly enough that works, when i have the heat on the temp drops 15 20 degrees which actually helps. My heater core is broken or something cause the heat doesnt work anyway lol.
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Originally Posted by 93camroZ28
So ive come to the conclusion its something to do with the fuel pressure. Ive done everything ignition wise possible besides opti. Its running great beside the fact it stalls. It always stalls at operating temperature. So ive been driving around with my heat on blast. Oddly enough that works, when i have the heat on the temp drops 15 20 degrees which actually helps. My heater core is broken or something cause the heat doesnt work anyway lol.
Replace the coolant temperature sensor on front of the water pump.
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check your fuel pump...
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Originally Posted by lt1-xjs
Replace the coolant temperature sensor on front of the water pump.
Why do you think its that? Sometimes my car wont even start.
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So i tried that temperature sensor thing. Didnt fix it. I checked the fuel pressure, it was good. What should i try next. Keep in mind that it sometimes stalls at operating temperature, stalls after its reached operating temp and its cooled down(so not operating temp) and sometimes it doesnt even start. Distributor? I also did the icm and ignition coil. Maybe the icm is failing? It wouldnt stall at operating temperature or at all for like a day with the new icm, then it started happening again. I havent dealt with a opti problem yet. The guy i bought it fron sad his girlfriend would run through puddles all the time he said he replaced it like 4 times.but i started experiencing problems just randomly. I was going down a dry road about 60 mph and it stalled and started right back up and the problems got worse.
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Originally Posted by 93camroZ28
Why do you think its that? Sometimes my car wont even start.
I thought I recalled the coolant temp sensor on the water pump linking to the gauge and the coolant temp sensor on the drivers side of the block linking to the pcm. I may be wrong, but if im not, the temp would read correctly on the gauge but not on a scan tool or pcm. In this situation you would get a hard start, and will run like crap. Either way scan that computer before replacing random parts!
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Originally Posted by 93camroZ28
So i tried that temperature sensor thing. Didnt fix it. I checked the fuel pressure, it was good. What should i try next. Keep in mind that it sometimes stalls at operating temperature, stalls after its reached operating temp and its cooled down(so not operating temp) and sometimes it doesnt even start. Distributor? I also did the icm and ignition coil. Maybe the icm is failing? It wouldnt stall at operating temperature or at all for like a day with the new icm, then it started happening again. I havent dealt with a opti problem yet. The guy i bought it fron sad his girlfriend would run through puddles all the time he said he replaced it like 4 times.but i started experiencing problems just randomly. I was going down a dry road about 60 mph and it stalled and started right back up and the problems got worse.
Get the ICM tested if it checks out, then I'd look into trying a new or know good used opti, if you have a bad one, no start, no codes sometimes. I've had a dud before, put another one on and bingo, starts right up. The coolant temp sensor going bad does not cause no start condition, it just runs VERY rich (been there done that), don't listen to every bit of bad advice on here...a simple scan of the pcm would tell you if the temp sensor was bad (-40 degrees all the time).


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