Powersteering, Alternator relocation
12-26-2007, 11:32 AM
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Powersteering, Alternator relocation I need your help guys. I've seen people with this done before posted on this site. The alternator is going to be a piece of cake. I want to relocate the power steering pump down low as well. This will eliminate the stock bracket, A/C system, air pump, and clean up the engine bay really well.
Above is a picture of what I'd like to do. I plan on using the stock alternator, but I'm not worried about having to make a different style power steering pump work. I found a bracket the Zoops makes. However It doesn't seem to extend far enough out for a separate pulley.
http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb....~Z5Z5Z5~Z5Z5Z5
Above is a picture of the Zoops pulley. So if anyone knows of a way to get this to work on my car it would be appreciated if you could help me out. I plan on making a complete part list when I do this swap starting later this week. I'm also removing the A/C box, and modifying it to retain full heat functions. In the end I hope to clean up the engine bay. I think it would be nice at the track to have a bit less weight, and have the capability to remove the belt going around the P/S pump for a few more ponies.
Above is a picture of what I'd like to do. I plan on using the stock alternator, but I'm not worried about having to make a different style power steering pump work. I found a bracket the Zoops makes. However It doesn't seem to extend far enough out for a separate pulley.
http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb....~Z5Z5Z5~Z5Z5Z5
Above is a picture of the Zoops pulley. So if anyone knows of a way to get this to work on my car it would be appreciated if you could help me out. I plan on making a complete part list when I do this swap starting later this week. I'm also removing the A/C box, and modifying it to retain full heat functions. In the end I hope to clean up the engine bay. I think it would be nice at the track to have a bit less weight, and have the capability to remove the belt going around the P/S pump for a few more ponies.
12-26-2007, 01:31 PM
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I found a bracket the Zoops makes. However It doesn't seem to extend far enough out for a separate pulley.
What little bit of stretch it'd need to line up with the single groove v-belt pulley could easily be remedied with spacer collars and longer (if needed) bolts.
12-27-2007, 12:21 AM
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I just looked it up and it sells for $21.90.
12-28-2007, 02:21 AM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SBC-A...em150058119541
Maybe this will bolt on? I think its going to be a guessing game. One issue I could run into is having the right pulley combination. I don't want to over pressure the rack in pinion. I can live with it being a little under pressure.
Maybe this will bolt on? I think its going to be a guessing game. One issue I could run into is having the right pulley combination. I don't want to over pressure the rack in pinion. I can live with it being a little under pressure.
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12-28-2007, 09:44 AM
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Maybe this will bolt on? I think its going to be a guessing game. One issue I could run into is having the right pulley combination. I don't want to over pressure the rack in pinion. I can live with it being a little under pressure.
Maybe this will bolt on? I think its going to be a guessing game. One issue I could run into is having the right pulley combination. I don't want to over pressure the rack in pinion. I can live with it being a little under pressure.
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12-28-2007, 01:11 PM
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I've got my part list and I'm going to start placing orders. Any idea on what type of hoses would work good? I know I'll need a high pressure hose that screws into the pump. I haven't looked at the rack and pinion but I probably need a special attachment to tap into it? Thanks for the help so far. It has been tons of help.
12-28-2007, 03:00 PM
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I've got my part list and I'm going to start placing orders. Any idea on what type of hoses would work good? I know I'll need a high pressure hose that screws into the pump. I haven't looked at the rack and pinion but I probably need a special attachment to tap into it? Thanks for the help so far. It has been tons of help.
The inlet/outlet on the rack itself uses:
High pressure side - 14mm x 1.5
Low pressure side - 16mm x 1.5
How you'd set it up depends a great deal on how much you're willing to spend. The way I did mine was to use two way male flare union adapters with 14, 16mm on one side and -6 AN on the other for the rack. Then -6 AN female compression fittings on the ends of each hose. (Braided stainless hose.)
The most economical way would be to just find a local plumbing supply store or hydraulic hose dealer and have them make you some new (longer) rubber hoses to stock specs. They will do it in-house because the ends need to be crimped onto the hoses and it requires a special tool. What type've fittings they'd need to put on the hoses depends on however the Type II pump you end up getting is configured, because they come set up several different ways.
Example:
vs.
Any stainless or anodized aluminum fittings made by the "big name" companies like Earl's, Aeroquip, etc. can be had in brass for typically about 1/5th the cost.
12-29-2007, 02:35 AM
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as soon as I can get my hands on a spare LT1 block with a crank and balancer, I'm going to start mock-up for these style brackets, then either Long-Hand, or software program, a CNC mill program to produce some of these brackets out of 6061...
quality stuff here, not a bunch of flat-bar welded together, with washers stacked for spacers, and nut-and-bolt style "sandwich" attachment points, I'm talking contoured Aluminum (weight, plus looks) brackets drilled and tapped for correct size fasteners, no 1/2 holes with 3/8 bolts to bolt the bracket to the block.
Do it Once, Do it Right, that's my moto.
if the first ones off the mill turn out good, and are durable enough to hold up (which they should easily be) I'll probably look in to mass-producing these products.
I like the idea of changing the hose-ends for the P/S... possibly use some JIC ends, with a Live-swivel to make life easy (if you've ever messed with hydraulics, you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about, and how nice it is)
quality stuff here, not a bunch of flat-bar welded together, with washers stacked for spacers, and nut-and-bolt style "sandwich" attachment points, I'm talking contoured Aluminum (weight, plus looks) brackets drilled and tapped for correct size fasteners, no 1/2 holes with 3/8 bolts to bolt the bracket to the block.
Do it Once, Do it Right, that's my moto.
if the first ones off the mill turn out good, and are durable enough to hold up (which they should easily be) I'll probably look in to mass-producing these products.
I like the idea of changing the hose-ends for the P/S... possibly use some JIC ends, with a Live-swivel to make life easy (if you've ever messed with hydraulics, you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about, and how nice it is)
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as soon as I can get my hands on a spare LT1 block with a crank and balancer, I'm going to start mock-up for these style brackets, then either Long-Hand, or software program, a CNC mill program to produce some of these brackets out of 6061...
quality stuff here, not a bunch of flat-bar welded together, with washers stacked for spacers, and nut-and-bolt style "sandwich" attachment points, I'm talking contoured Aluminum (weight, plus looks) brackets drilled and tapped for correct size fasteners, no 1/2 holes with 3/8 bolts to bolt the bracket to the block.
Do it Once, Do it Right, that's my moto.
if the first ones off the mill turn out good, and are durable enough to hold up (which they should easily be) I'll probably look in to mass-producing these products.
I like the idea of changing the hose-ends for the P/S... possibly use some JIC ends, with a Live-swivel to make life easy (if you've ever messed with hydraulics, you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about, and how nice it is)
quality stuff here, not a bunch of flat-bar welded together, with washers stacked for spacers, and nut-and-bolt style "sandwich" attachment points, I'm talking contoured Aluminum (weight, plus looks) brackets drilled and tapped for correct size fasteners, no 1/2 holes with 3/8 bolts to bolt the bracket to the block.
Do it Once, Do it Right, that's my moto.
if the first ones off the mill turn out good, and are durable enough to hold up (which they should easily be) I'll probably look in to mass-producing these products.
I like the idea of changing the hose-ends for the P/S... possibly use some JIC ends, with a Live-swivel to make life easy (if you've ever messed with hydraulics, you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about, and how nice it is)
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bringing this thread back from the dead!! What ever happened!? Anyone else got a similar settup or results from this settup???? I am very interested in doing something just like this.
06-13-2012, 08:10 AM
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06-13-2012, 01:02 PM
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Yes. The power steering is low on the driver side and the alt. is low and on the passenger side. I have the power steering running off the under drive pulley. the alti is running off the stock damper. So I am running 2 really short sep. belts.
Here is the bracket I made work. Power Steering - Camaro/Firebird #405L-PS
http://www.srbymichael.com/manufactu...rove_lt1.shtml
Here is the bracket I made work. Power Steering - Camaro/Firebird #405L-PS
http://www.srbymichael.com/manufactu...rove_lt1.shtml
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sorry do you have a picture? so both of them are on the lower driver side? i have a flaming river rack in and im thinking of going back to power steering at all the pics would help out alot. but i was thinking of putting the power steering pump on the driver low and keep the alternator on the pass low. do you think it will work with that bracket
oh sorry i read it wrong. so pretty much your going to be running it the way im looking at running it
oh sorry i read it wrong. so pretty much your going to be running it the way im looking at running it
06-13-2012, 01:10 PM
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sorry do you have a picture? so both of them are on the lower driver side? i have a flaming river rack in and im thinking of going back to power steering at all the pics would help out alot. but i was thinking of putting the power steering pump on the driver low and keep the alternator on the pass low. do you think it will work with that bracket