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Old 09-04-2010, 12:16 AM
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Default HELP!!! car doesnt go into gear. edit FIXED!!!!!!!

just put in a new pilot bearing nd had the flywheel resurfaced.

bolted everything up (not first time i do clutch swap btw)

bled slave for an hour

car wont go into any gear while on... i started car in 1st and car wouldnt get out of gear.

slave has ~10k in in it, original master with drill mod





LS7 clutch ls2 flywheel btw
02 t/a ws6

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You have something wrong in your install. Pull it back apart and double check everything.
Old 09-04-2010, 10:49 PM
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took it all apart. put brand spanking new slave
on. bled the old fashioned way
for an hour and with a mityvac
for another hour. argh!!!!!
no luck.does not go into gear
Old 09-05-2010, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Raptor_WS6
just put in a new pilot bearing nd had the flywheel resurfaced.

bolted everything up (not first time i do clutch swap btw)

bled slave for an hour

car wont go into any gear while on... i started car in 1st and car wouldnt get out of gear.

slave has ~10k in in it, original master with drill mod





LS7 clutch ls2 flywheel btw
02 t/a ws6
You started the car with the trans in first gear? Did it move forward? If not, I don't think it's a clutch issue.

Also, can you hear anything different from the trans when you have the clutch pedal to the floor as compared to having the clutch pedal up?

Did you touch anything on the trans other than the shifter?
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this may be obvious to some....but did you look at your pressure plate??? Some of your fingers may be broken.
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Originally Posted by LS123
You started the car with the trans in first gear? Did it move forward? If not, I don't think it's a clutch issue.

Also, can you hear anything different from the trans when you have the clutch pedal to the floor as compared to having the clutch pedal up?

Did you touch anything on the trans other than the shifter?
the car is on stands, my friends said that when i started it in first, the wheels did not move. i turned off the car and had to force it out of first gear. keep in mind with the car off i can row through gears like normal. issue is with the car on

no sound difference that i can hear with the pedal up/or down.

what do you mean "Did you touch anything on the trans other than the shifter?"

Originally Posted by SStheBest
this may be obvious to some....but did you look at your pressure plate??? Some of your fingers may be broken.
that was the first thing i remembered reading before, so i looked over the PP and the prongs are all fine and intact



the only real difference is the flywheel was resurfaced. im worried it was cut to much and now i have to shim
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If nothing internal was touched on the transmission then it has (or should be) to be something with the clutch.

Never force the transmission out of gear you can break the keys that way.
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yeah, nothing internally. b4 it came off everything was fine except the pilot bearing.
the only thing changed besides the pilot bearing was the resurfaced flywheel. then it didnt want to go into gear, which i then decided to pull it out again and change the slave and nothing changed...

so now the only other thing that it can possibly be is the flywheel. maybe it resurfaced to much and maybe i have to either replace it or shim the slave
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Let the car back on the ground. With the engine not running, engage into first gear. Push the clutch in and start the engine. Tell us if the car moves forward. If so, you do have clutch/FW issue. If it doesn't move forward, then let the clutch out and drive it and tell us the results.

What I was refering to about the shifter is I assume you took the shifter off before pulling the trans, right? Did you remove/touch anything else when you removed the trans?
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yes the shifter was removed before trans was touched...
other than the usual no.. nothing else was touched


thx for the help guys, ima put it all together and put it on the ground and see what it does
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Originally Posted by LS123
Let the car back on the ground. With the engine not running, engage into first gear. Push the clutch in and start the engine. Tell us if the car moves forward. If so, you do have clutch/FW issue. If it doesn't move forward, then let the clutch out and drive it and tell us the results.
i put it into first gear, and it tries to move fwd.

so do you think the FW is cut to much..????

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well, the trans is off, again for the feels like gaggillionth time
now waiting to get a new flywheel, cant seem to find anyone selling a ls2 flywheel on its own





question, if you tighten the PP bolts too much, will that cause issues? since the tighter the bolts, the flatter the prongs in the center of the PP get
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Originally Posted by Raptor_WS6
well, the trans is off, again for the feels like gaggillionth time
now waiting to get a new flywheel, cant seem to find anyone selling a ls2 flywheel on its own





question, if you tighten the PP bolts too much, will that cause issues? since the tighter the bolts, the flatter the prongs in the center of the PP get
maybe you should try bleeding the clutch for a couple more hours.
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Originally Posted by LSpeed1
maybe you should try bleeding the clutch for a couple more hours.
lol
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Originally Posted by Raptor_WS6
well, the trans is off, again for the feels like gaggillionth time
now waiting to get a new flywheel, cant seem to find anyone selling a ls2 flywheel on its own





question, if you tighten the PP bolts too much, will that cause issues? since the tighter the bolts, the flatter the prongs in the center of the PP get
You should torque them. I think to 36 ft lbs.
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its 52 per the manual
im going to give her another
try today
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You should take some measurements to see if you need a shim for the slave. The resurface might have increased the distance between the slave and pressure place just enough that it wont disengage the clutch. If that is the case a shim or new flywheel will fix it. But the shim is alot cheaper. There was a post awhile ago about how to measure for the shim. If you use that as a guide it should help. Good luck
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Torque down bolts in sequence and make sure clutch is installed facing correct way. And some locktite on hardware don't hurt. Get a torque wrench to insure proper hardware installation. If anyone has a torque sequence chart to post or link please do.
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Tick performance has a post on that and maybe on their website.
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thx guys. it turns out I was over tightening
the pp bolts. put it all
back together and torqued to
spec and fixed the problem.
should have fine that
since day one.




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