Help I'm ready to go insane with this clutch
03-25-2014, 05:03 PM
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Help I'm ready to go insane with this clutch So before winter car ran fine other than a 3rd gear grind. Clutch was fine. Over winter rebuilt the whole trans did cam and full bolt ons added a monster stg 2. During this time I had the motor and trans pulled. Couple weeks ago put everything back together and I can't get the clutch to bleed what am I doing wrong? I drilled a hole in the floor and tried the traditional pump bleed method. It got me most of my pedal but I still have a lot of play in my pedal. And the pedal occasionally fluctuates from really bad to some times perfect. I've tried the mityvac method saw no change. Any ideas what could be wrong?
03-26-2014, 02:32 PM
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So before winter car ran fine other than a 3rd gear grind. Clutch was fine. Over winter rebuilt the whole trans did cam and full bolt ons added a monster stg 2. During this time I had the motor and trans pulled. Couple weeks ago put everything back together and I can't get the clutch to bleed what am I doing wrong? I drilled a hole in the floor and tried the traditional pump bleed method. It got me most of my pedal but I still have a lot of play in my pedal. And the pedal occasionally fluctuates from really bad to some times perfect. I've tried the mityvac method saw no change. Any ideas what could be wrong?
03-26-2014, 05:21 PM
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So do you think it's the master? I pick a new one up tomorrow I will be installing it tomorrow night I'm really hoping this is it because I do not want to drop the trans 3 weeks after I put the motor and trans back in.....let alone the fact that I have solid mounts
03-27-2014, 01:19 PM
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It seems that you have replaced everything but the Master correct? Logically speaking it could easily be that the seals in the master are shot, allowing bleed-by to occur within the cylinder. You can disconnect the line between the master and the slave and then apply light pressure to the clutch pedal to see if it begins to drop. Don't press too hard, just light even pressure. If the pedal begins to drop then the seal in the Master is shot. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks!
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03-27-2014, 02:16 PM
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We'll I'm not to bright and didn't replace the slave either.....it looked good and had the updated part numbers so I thought it was a waste to replace. No I'm thinking differently....I pick up the new master in about 2 hours once I'm out of work and fingers crossed this fixes it
03-27-2014, 02:31 PM
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So you had the motor and transmission out of the car but didn't replace the slave OR get a remote bleeder?! Those are cheap replacements compared to everything else you were doing man! And the factory Clutch Master Cylinders in these cars are not trustworthy in the first place. I've known many guys that thought their clutch was going out but it was just the factory Clutch master cylinder. Replace it with a tick performance adjustable and it will be night and day!
03-27-2014, 08:24 PM
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Not the clutch master replaced today, bench bled installed mityvac'd it bled the slave it's all over the place now. At first it was way soft bled it for a while then it was like it was before (lots of play at the beginning. Finally got a solid pedal but only buy slowly pushing it down and slowly pulling it up.(let's me to believe bad seals) started it and only have about half pedal. Got pissed shut the garage up and came in the house. I started thinking that maybe the clutch needed shimmed but that doesn't explain the erratic pedal. So I guess tomorrow I buy a slave how hard is it to drop the trans with solid motor mounts? Oh and btw I noticed if it say over night it usually had a full pedal for the first push and then back to having play.
03-27-2014, 09:36 PM
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If you unplug the hydraulic line from the slave the pedal should be rock hard. If not your master is bad
Solid motor mounts are hell to completely uninstall the trans, however if you are just pulling the trans to get the slave it's just like a regular car. The real pain is when you go to take the bell housing bolts off and the top 3 bolts are impossible to get unless you take the intake manifold off.
You will need very long extensions to reach the top bolt on driver and passengers side up top
Solid motor mounts are hell to completely uninstall the trans, however if you are just pulling the trans to get the slave it's just like a regular car. The real pain is when you go to take the bell housing bolts off and the top 3 bolts are impossible to get unless you take the intake manifold off.
You will need very long extensions to reach the top bolt on driver and passengers side up top
03-27-2014, 09:45 PM
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Yes pedal is rock hard after I put the new master in(never checked it with old master) I wouldn't even question it after the new master install but a small part of me still thinks it's air. I just don't know how it could be after all the bleeding I've done in every way possible
03-28-2014, 12:13 PM
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My only hesitation on it being the slave is when the seal doesn't work properly it leaks and I assume you're not loosing any fluid, either way if you're pulling the trans I'd highly recommend installing a a remote bleeder while in there and double checking the pressure plate bolts for torque. Update what you find out, good luck.
03-28-2014, 12:20 PM
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My only hesitation on it being the slave is when the seal doesn't work properly it leaks and I assume you're not loosing any fluid, either way if you're pulling the trans I'd highly recommend installing a a remote bleeder while in there and double checking the pressure plate bolts for torque. Update what you find out, good luck.
03-28-2014, 09:19 PM
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We'll no one showed up to help so I didn't get much done by myself all That was done was I got it pulled it actually does look like there's a lot of fluid around the slave and on the baseplate to the trans I'm starting to feel better about this
03-30-2014, 06:38 PM
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I'm at a loss I don't know what to do. I changed the slave and it's better but still have pedal fluctuation. If I really get into it the pedal is fine and shifts are fine, but slow I occasionally lose about half a pedal I have to sit and pump the hell out of the pedal to get it back. I bench bled the mc I mityvac'd it for over an hour a couple times I've bled from a bleeder atleast twenty times. It's about to go up for sale