forged t56 internals?
06-13-2006, 10:13 PM
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forged t56 internals? i was wondering if, all of the internals can be forged, like the all the gears and output shaft and input shaft, wouldnt this be the ultimate t56?
does anyone know of a place that does this or sells them like that let me know
does anyone know of a place that does this or sells them like that let me know
06-14-2006, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by themack56
i was wondering if, all of the internals can be forged, like the all the gears and output shaft and input shaft, wouldnt this be the ultimate t56?
does anyone know of a place that does this or sells them like that let me know
does anyone know of a place that does this or sells them like that let me know
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06-14-2006, 07:04 AM
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Understanding the processes would go along way before you have someone take your money for the "majic wand" treatment.
Cryo treatment is submersion in liquid nitrogen( -320 F) AND(this is the key) controlled temperature rise. To get any significant + in strength, the core material should be selected for this processing. Just adding -on this process does / produces little gain at best IF its done correctly.
Forging is the " compaction" of material to gain the most beneficial grain flow for strength. If there is someone offering this service to a finished part , they are cheating you. All of the gears and shafts in a T56 are forged as rough parts before machining. It is not possible to do this after the fact.
The splines are rolled( between two rack/ die members), not stamped. The flat shape to the major diameter is achieved with a grinding operation.
If it is greater strength through processing & materials you want, you will have to start with the raw blanks and fully process them.
Cryo treatment is submersion in liquid nitrogen( -320 F) AND(this is the key) controlled temperature rise. To get any significant + in strength, the core material should be selected for this processing. Just adding -on this process does / produces little gain at best IF its done correctly.
Forging is the " compaction" of material to gain the most beneficial grain flow for strength. If there is someone offering this service to a finished part , they are cheating you. All of the gears and shafts in a T56 are forged as rough parts before machining. It is not possible to do this after the fact.
The splines are rolled( between two rack/ die members), not stamped. The flat shape to the major diameter is achieved with a grinding operation.
If it is greater strength through processing & materials you want, you will have to start with the raw blanks and fully process them.
06-14-2006, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by calhoon
Understanding the processes would go along way before you have someone take your money for the "majic wand" treatment.
Cryo treatment is submersion in liquid nitrogen( -320 F) AND(this is the key) controlled temperature rise. To get any significant + in strength, the core material should be selected for this processing. Just adding -on this process does / produces little gain at best IF its done correctly.
Forging is the " compaction" of material to gain the most beneficial grain flow for strength. If there is someone offering this service to a finished part , they are cheating you. All of the gears and shafts in a T56 are forged as rough parts before machining. It is not possible to do this after the fact.
The splines are rolled( between two rack/ die members), not stamped. The flat shape to the major diameter is achieved with a grinding operation.
If it is greater strength through processing & materials you want, you will have to start with the raw blanks and fully process them.
Cryo treatment is submersion in liquid nitrogen( -320 F) AND(this is the key) controlled temperature rise. To get any significant + in strength, the core material should be selected for this processing. Just adding -on this process does / produces little gain at best IF its done correctly.
Forging is the " compaction" of material to gain the most beneficial grain flow for strength. If there is someone offering this service to a finished part , they are cheating you. All of the gears and shafts in a T56 are forged as rough parts before machining. It is not possible to do this after the fact.
The splines are rolled( between two rack/ die members), not stamped. The flat shape to the major diameter is achieved with a grinding operation.
If it is greater strength through processing & materials you want, you will have to start with the raw blanks and fully process them.
Thank you. You have more patience than I do. As a side note, internal splines (like on a clutch disk hub) can also be broached as well as shaped.
In a rotating assembly components can be cast or forged. The forged components are stronger for reasons posted above thus they are prefered for high performance engines.
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Originally Posted by calhoon
If it is greater strength through processing & materials you want, you will have to start with the raw blanks and fully process them.
06-14-2006, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dailydriver
If this were ever to be done (on a one off basis), what would we be looking at, a $50-75K T56??
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06-15-2006, 11:23 AM
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Cyro treatment is more like a specialized tempering. I would put a nitrating ( not fully sure of the specs) processing more in th realm of surface treatment, like isotropic treatment.
06-15-2006, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by calhoon
The input and cluster gear of the SRT10 Ram T56 are 9310 today.
Do you know if the SRT10 T56 is the same externally as the Viper trans?
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06-15-2006, 08:22 PM
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There's are alot more to transmission gears in addition to material..pressure angles ground or cut...heat treating Gears found in "Real" racing transmissions are bar stock thats ground to the desired finish The OE short cuts with their method's for price and quanity this of course is a trade off or we'd all be buying 6 grand T56's.Based on my personal experence if you'r pushing the big HP go with the 300m I have twisted 1 5/32 26 imput shafts almost a quarter of an inch ...on a few different
06-16-2006, 10:51 AM
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The picture below is of the Tex Racing T101A. Tex makes transmissions for NASCAR. You can see the difference in the race transmission compared to a street transmission. The Tex gears are fairly thin to reduce frictional losses. Keep in mind it does not see the shock loads that a drag racing transmission would see. However it does have to take the abuse of 500-600 lb/ft of torque for a long period of time. The gears are 9310 material.
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06-16-2006, 10:57 AM
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Ill bet its nice and quiet too with those flat cut gears and wide dog teeth gears...
Originally Posted by Project GatTagO
The picture below is of the Tex Racing T101A. Tex makes transmissions for NASCAR. You can see the difference in the race transmission compared to a street transmission. The Tex gears are fairly thin to reduce frictional losses. Keep in mind it does not see the shock loads that a drag racing transmission would see. However it does have to take the abuse of 500-600 lb/ft of torque for a long period of time. The gears are 9310 material.
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06-16-2006, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GuitsBoy
Ill bet its nice and quiet too with those flat cut gears and wide dog teeth gears...
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The RAM10 T56 has slightly different gear cuttings than the Viper (and material as stated above) so not all gears are interchangeable. The ratios, however, are the same. You could completely swap out the sets, however. In addition, the truck uses a thick -wall yoke.
06-16-2006, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Project GatTagO
The picture below is of the Tex Racing T101A. Tex makes transmissions for NASCAR. You can see the difference in the race transmission compared to a street transmission. The Tex gears are fairly thin to reduce frictional losses. Keep in mind it does not see the shock loads that a drag racing transmission would see. However it does have to take the abuse of 500-600 lb/ft of torque for a long period of time. The gears are 9310 material.
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