Enlist in Green Berets or Marines???
03-10-2006, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SAPPER
The new Marine unit that is being designed is called MARSOF. So far, there are some very promising young marines that will qualify. Basically, it will be like a Ranger company. About a 100 man Co that will be broken down into teams of about 6 -20-100 men depending on mission requirements.
03-10-2006, 09:05 PM
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No matter what you do, its advisable you go into the regular military prior to devoting your entire being to making it into the SOF world. I've known guys that train for years, be at the top of their field, and fail hardcore out of SFAS/Delta Selection. Then I've known some scrawny scrappy grunts that pass without a problem, relatively.
I trained for SFAS and had my packet going but was diagnosed with some **** that got me put out medically before I could schedule a time to go. I was a 19K at the time, a Specialist fwiw.
You have to know its what you want. Its a completely different lifestyle than the regular military like many have said. Good luck on your decision, but do your research and make sure its a decision for YOU, and nothing else. If its not for you than you might as well sign up to be a cook.
I trained for SFAS and had my packet going but was diagnosed with some **** that got me put out medically before I could schedule a time to go. I was a 19K at the time, a Specialist fwiw.
You have to know its what you want. Its a completely different lifestyle than the regular military like many have said. Good luck on your decision, but do your research and make sure its a decision for YOU, and nothing else. If its not for you than you might as well sign up to be a cook.
03-11-2006, 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RrCoX22
great shape... work out 5 times a week and run 3 days a week... ex-college football player. and I read on goarmy.com under the green berets section they are accepting civilians for the first time in many years without going through the army first
03-11-2006, 03:59 AM
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Marines go to Army training because we don't have the budget to stand up all of those schools on our own. The decision was probably made by some Pentagon bean counter who said, "why commit to all that extra expense considering we can just piggy back on you guys?"
I thought all that BS about the Marines vs. the Army was just that--bullshit. Until I got a chance to work with the Army. Not bashing the entire service, just the folks I've been exposed to.
I thought all that BS about the Marines vs. the Army was just that--bullshit. Until I got a chance to work with the Army. Not bashing the entire service, just the folks I've been exposed to.
Originally Posted by SFC_McD
Wow... lots of experience and opinions. I have never had as much fun, fear and pain as I did when I was with 2Batt at Ft. Lewis, Washington. Hard life, but worth it. Divorce is always a problem, but not as rampant as some believe. I had 4 children (5 now) and a wife who made it fine. I'm the one who suffered, as did all Dads, by missing out on irreversible missed moments with growing babies. I made rank VERY fast, I heard someone correctly say "fasttrack", and enjoyed being a Ranger Sergeant. Later I managed to revert to my origional MOS as a computer and land combat missile dweeb. When you go Special Ops, the calls are yours for the making, and when you're tired, you generally meet little resistance in reclassing. I have to say, however, that to make a blanket statement that Marines are better trained than Army soldiers is uninspired by anything except blind devotion. I trained, personally, many Marines at NTC and 29 Palms (where were all of those palms, by the way), and most of all of the support roles (MOS's) and Airborne and Air Assault schools for the Marines were trained ONLY by Army soldiers. SO! If the Marines are that good, would that not infer that the Army is better because a good portion of Marine training was done by Army forces? I have NEVER liked the traditional headbashing done between the seperate services, and certainly intend no offense, here, just making a small point to individuals who make blanket statements of one service over another. Whatever RrCox22 decides to do will be the best decision... for him! Charge hard, my young brother, and you will soon become a proud member of a intense brotherhood. A brother in arms.
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03-11-2006, 04:03 AM
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SgtMaj Estrada came by my unit to give a speech right after everyone finally made it back from Iraq. He said the requirement was basically just dropped in their lap, and now they "have to **** 2600 Marines." It was pretty funny. But it seems like they're hurting for people in the worst way. They're even giving huge enlistment bonuses for people who sign up for 0321. I thought that sounded weird since when you go to SOI you go as an 03 and are assigned your actual specialty later. But judging from the SgtMaj's comments it seems they're putting those folks on contract.
Originally Posted by 97blkz
Anymore info on this new SF?? I got out of active in 97 and reserve side in 2000 so I am way behind on the Corps new things! I'd say if your into spending time in the field and shooting weapons and want a respectable name it's the Corp. "IF" you have the intestinal fortitude and physical ability go for recon. I thought about it but was not willing to be in the 'field" so much. PS boot camp will let you know if you want the hardcore life.
Semper Fi leather necks and keep up the good work to the rest of you guys!
Semper Fi leather necks and keep up the good work to the rest of you guys!
03-11-2006, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1z28chris2
Marines go to Army training because we don't have the budget to stand up all of those schools on our own. The decision was probably made by some Pentagon bean counter who said, "why commit to all that extra expense considering we can just piggy back on you guys?"
I thought all that BS about the Marines vs. the Army was just that--bullshit. Until I got a chance to work with the Army. Not bashing the entire service, just the folks I've been exposed to.
I thought all that BS about the Marines vs. the Army was just that--bullshit. Until I got a chance to work with the Army. Not bashing the entire service, just the folks I've been exposed to.
03-11-2006, 09:24 AM
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Well, Chris2, I have no idea how long you have served, but as a 22 year (and counting) Veteran and United States Army First Sergeant, I can tell you most assuredlly that the Marines are most certainly NOT the end all/be all of combat prowess. MOST opinions, such as yours, come from youngsters that have served only a short time, come from blind allegience and commonly are no longer serving. I always wondered, if the Marines were so great, why are the people who say how wonderful it is wear civvies every day? ANYWAY! As for schools and other training, the reason the Marines "piggyback" is simple... why re-invent the wheel? When something works great, you don't change it, and the Army is THE oldest, most effective and most distinguished American fighting force, period! Believing that the Department of the Navy doesn't have the money to train Marines is ludicrous! IF the Marines were capable of training and sustaining themselves better than the Army they would easily petition the Congress for the money to build the schools. Again, another misguided newbie argument. While I certainly admire the dedication that the Marines have to their chosen service, I get damned sick of always hearing how fabulous they are while demeaning the proudest branch in American history. Those who do this are bitter, often rejected failures as warriors. I have served and trained, more times than I can remember, with the Marines and have met some damned fine ones, but I have also met more than my fair share of slugs. I believe that my point concerning Marine fanatacism is well beaten into the ground. As for RrCoX22, you said "If you graduated with a degree and enlist, I'll kick your ***." , again you show a serious lack of knowledge on service life. As a former, GOLD BADGED United States Army recruiter, I can tell you that a great many people ENLIST after obtaining degrees. First, with a four year degree, an individual enters the Army as an E-4. That's right, NEVER sees the rank of Private. Oh... and let's not forget the Army's $60,000 dollar Student Loan Repayment Program. OOPS... another youngster mistake. I have NEVER attempted to steer anyone from serving in the Marines, and have NEVER disrespected that branch of the Navy, but I guess after sitting idley by and listening to moronic rants on the greatness of the Marines over the United States Army... I just have to put things right. I don't expect that you will change your perception, you are obviously too poisoned with misguided untruths to be rehabilitated. HOWEVER! Any who read this, be assured that the United States Army is indeed a proud tradition that is historically proven to be the Champion of American values and causes. The Marines are a wonderful tradition, also, so do the research and make your own conclusions. RESEARCH! Don't listen to fanatics from any branch. I have to say, however, that if you are not sure what you want to do, but you ARE sure that you want to serve this awesome country, the Army is the ONLY branch that guarantees EVERY SINGLE job request in the contract. You don't have to qualify for an exception like the other services. When every single recruit finds the job they want, it is guaranteed in writing before any contract signatures are made. EVERY time. Also, the United States Army has over 200 career fields to choose from, the number escapes me, but the Marines have about 80. Anyway, just make the decision based on facts, research and desire to serve and you will do excellent.
03-11-2006, 10:24 AM
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SFC_ wow hate to say it but you sound like the bitter one to me. And if you truly believe that we could ask congress for schools and wam get'em, wrong! I worked with a budget in the Corp and that are insane about spending every penny so our budget does not get cut. There were Rumors right before Desert Storm that our buds in Congress wanted to end the Corp, the conter argument is our ability to be placed somewhere without congressional approvement(the only branch by the way). But what do I know I got out after 7 years to start a professional carreer and have a home life. Maybe if I went in as an officer I would have stayed so we have mixed views sir. I still respect the **** out of you dor serving 22 years to our wonderful country. I'd have 16 if I stayed in.
All soldiers, airmen and sailors rock in my book! Thanks to all who served or are currently serving!!
All soldiers, airmen and sailors rock in my book! Thanks to all who served or are currently serving!!
03-11-2006, 11:21 AM
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Bitter? Marines are not the only deployable force without Congressional approval. ALL branches of the service may be deployed, at the President's command for 90 days, after which he must get approval from Congress to continue the deployment. Bitter? No, just sick of the blanket statements vomited up by morons who wrongfully believe that the Marines are the singular best at being warriors and the United States Army is a distant second. Look up the "combat" stats between the United States Army and the Marines at the National Training Center and see who holds the upper hand with overall success' in simulated combat (war games). Bitter? I have nothing but utmost respect for the Marine Corps, and again, have N-E-V-E-R advised someone to not join them. I always tell them to research all branches, determine who better suits their chosen career path and serve proudly. So I'm bitter for being one who is sick to death of the irresponsible comments spewed out by others? OK... I'm bitter.
03-11-2006, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PotentialZ28
Its all in what you want really, if you want to have a huge challenge in front of you you can do the SEALS, rangers, green beret, AF Pjs, AF special forces, or AF SERE (spelling), the SERE guys work with the Army. If you want to join just to help out your country i would go Air Force unless you really like the Army/Marine way of life. I know a lot of other guys wont like it but ive been to the desert 4 times (short trips, 10-30 days) and i stay in military hotel with heating, AC, and clean bathrooms while the Army guys were in tents, maybe i just dont like roughing that much but it made me respect what the Army guys have to deal with but it also made me happier with the military branch choice i made 5 yrs ago. Just my oponion
Will you please tell me where stayed in a hotel on a military base in the desert? Also, how did you only deploy for 30 days at the most? Whats your AFSC?
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03-11-2006, 12:26 PM
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Bitter? Marines are not the only deployable force without Congressional approval. ALL branches of the service may be deployed, at the President's command for 90 days, after which he must get approval from Congress to continue the deployment. Bitter? No, just sick of the blanket statements vomited up by morons who wrongfully believe that the Marines are the singular best at being warriors and the United States Army is a distant second. Look up the "combat" stats between the United States Army and the Marines at the National Training Center and see who holds the upper hand with overall success' in simulated combat (war games). Bitter? I have nothing but utmost respect for the Marine Corps, and again, have N-E-V-E-R advised someone to not join them. I always tell them to research all branches, determine who better suits their chosen career path and serve proudly. So I'm bitter for being one who is sick to death of the irresponsible comments spewed out by others? OK... I'm bitter.
03-11-2006, 12:39 PM
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My argument would not be combat units in the Army vs Marines but the Army in whole vs the Marine corp. Overall, a basically trained Marine is more disciplined, and probably performs better under stress, and with his rifle than a basically trained soldier. The Marines try to keep all members combat ready (i.e. the supply guy, the cook, the admin guy, all get rotated for combat training annually) whereas the Army does not...admin guys are admin guys. Now the Army infantry and SF are well trained and I had and would have no problem being in a fighting hole with one of them. I in no way intend to insult other braches , especaily right now when we have a war going. Busting ***** is fun , I have Army friends, Navy(including 2 seals) AF(brother) and of course a bunch of twisted jarheads!
03-11-2006, 01:22 PM
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If the army is so much better, why are the standards set so high for Marines. Why do we qualify at 500 yards with a rifle? Why are our pft's scored much harder? I know that I'm not some high speed Delta/SF bubba, but I also know that I'm better than your your average infantry soldier.
03-11-2006, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RrCoX22
Thinking of joining the military service but undecided on where I should enlist. I would like to here any opinions or other services that I should consider. Thanks!!!
03-11-2006, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SFC_McD
Bitter? Marines are not the only deployable force without Congressional approval. ALL branches of the service may be deployed, at the President's command for 90 days, after which he must get approval from Congress to continue the deployment. Bitter? No, just sick of the blanket statements vomited up by morons who wrongfully believe that the Marines are the singular best at being warriors and the United States Army is a distant second. Look up the "combat" stats between the United States Army and the Marines at the National Training Center and see who holds the upper hand with overall success' in simulated combat (war games).
You are the one that brought up the whole USA vs. USMC deal here. Before that this cat was getting good feedback from many people who have had a lot of experieinces with similar things that he may try to pursue. Why don't you just leave it at professional advice and stop trying to measure each branches e-dick.
03-11-2006, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by swoleguy
I never listened to the many former soldiers who told me not to join,so I hope your smarter than this former Airborne Ranger.DO NOT JOIN ANY MILITARY SERVICE! Every word out of a recruitors mouth is a lie.
I would agree that the the recruiters lie...a lot. However, the military is not for everyone and it seems like it wasnt for you.
03-11-2006, 03:32 PM
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I just want to say that i appreciate everyone's comments and am currently doing some major research in all branches to find what suits me best.
...and SFC_McD I didn't say this....
Someone else said that to me... as I'm currently in college working on an AS. Another semester and it will be completed so I have a dilemma on finishing before I enlist.
Anyways keep 'em comming boys
...and SFC_McD I didn't say this....
Originally Posted by SFC_McD
As for RrCoX22, you said "If you graduated with a degree and enlist, I'll kick your ***." , again you show a serious lack of knowledge on service life. As a former, GOLD BADGED United States Army recruiter, I can tell you that a great many people ENLIST after obtaining degrees. First, with a four year degree, an individual enters the Army as an E-4. That's right, NEVER sees the rank of Private.
Anyways keep 'em comming boys
03-11-2006, 03:34 PM
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Recruiters are salesmen, just like when you buy a car do your homework. I will tell how the corp was when i was in. I had the luck of dating a Top's daughter, he was the head recruiter in Cleveland at the time.
03-12-2006, 09:23 AM
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first off not all recruiters lie. Some if not Most have at one point. My recruiter didnt lie to me and now as a recruiter I WILL NOT lie to any of my applicants. I have turned down qualified applicants due to some questionable moral issues and have refered others to a different branch because I didnt feel that my branch had what the idividual was looking for. The Army and Navy put the jobs in writing before enlistment. And we (Navy) cant change the job without the persons ok. If we can't fulfill the obligation then they have the option of getting out of there contract or picking a new job. The reason some services dont have as many jobs as others (even though we all do the same things) is because we multi task our people. The navy offers the same jobs as the marines, army, and airforce with the exception of infantry for the army and marines, however we offer nuclear engineering. No one else offers that. So again it goes back too its the individuals choice to make. Inner service rivialry will always be around. Thats what makes life with the other services fun. Just dont take it too heart because when **** starts flying were all on the same team.
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