Spent 7k for a non-running vehicle 7 months ago from The Jester 812
07-27-2011, 10:58 PM
#1
On The Tree
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Spent 7k for a non-running vehicle 7 months ago from The Jester 812 https://ls1tech.com/forums/vehicle-c...-upgrades.html
Purchased the vehicle back in December of 2010. Paid $7k, plus the 3% paypal fee. He said he'd put the original LS1 motor back in since he had the 408 ci in it. I wasn't too worried, I was overseas in Kuwait, and wouldn't be back until March. I just wanted the vehicle ready by the time I got back.
I also bought the zr1 wheels and tires from him. The only complaint I have there is that one of the little plastic logos on one of the tires is missing, but the tires alone i think were good for the $500.
I waited and waited. I got back in March. May came around and the car still wasn't ready. I tried to get daily updates on the car, but there was little progress. The mechanic told me that I was harassing him (tried to call him once a day for updates, and that was too often) and said he wasn't going to work on it anymore. I was very polite with everyone I talked to on the phone, because they had my money, and my car. I finally had it shipped to me, non-running. Because it wasn't running, I had to pay an additional $300 to the shipper.
when it got to me, it was missing quite a few pieces. The fuel rail, the valve cover, the pushrods, the ac compressor, the ac bracket, and the ac condensor. The passenger side rear caliper was damaged. A replacement was provided, but the mounting hardware was missing.
I contacted him, and he sent out the fuel rail, the valve cover, and the pushrods. He couldn't find the ac compressor, or ac bracket, and sent me an ac drier instead of a condensor. A/C compressor cost $135 with shipping, a/c condensor cost me 100 with shipping. I also need to purchase the plumbing for the A/C system, and have it charged. Not sure how much that'll cost. My mechanic took off the valve cover on the driver side to check the work that had been done and discovered that the pushrods on that side were 8" long.
I had to purchase new pushrods. $100.
When we put the provided fuel injectors into the fuel rail, we discovered that they were a good inch too short. We had to purchase replacement fuel injectors. $200.
The paint has an orange peel pattern/texture over the entire car, and there are paint drips and chips on the back. I was quoted $400 to correct it at $25/hr.
The u-joint on the driveshaft is mangled. Not too expensive to replace, but I shouldn't have to replace it.
It's missing the floormats. Not a huge deal, but I didn't know they weren't coming with it. If I want the stock ones, I know it'll cost a decent amount, so I'll probably buy some at AutoZone or something.
The hood is scratched up in several places. not sure why that is. There are little asterisk-shaped scratches in several corners.
Minor things: belts are missing, and power steering pulley has a chip on the edge where it contacts the belt
Not to mention labor to get this all put together.
As it is, unfortunately, I've spent well over a thousand dollars trying to get this car put back together, and I paid for it over 7 months ago.
What I'd really like would be to have enough of my money refunded to me so that I can pay my mechanic. I paid for a running car, and got an incomplete, missing parts, project car, 5 months later.
I left negative feedback for him. And just noticed that the headlights pictured in the sale thread are not the headlights that came with the car. Also discovered that the u-joint straps on the drivetrain are missing. I also need to purchase a whole ton of bolts. Minor things, but they add up.
Discovered that the crankshaft didn't rotate inside the block. Pulled the engine and discovered that one of the piston skirts was striking the crankshaft. Had them clearanced, so they rotate now, but that cost me some good money in labor.
The number two spark plug socket was stripped. Found out that he had forced a steel plug in there, and cracked the head. Was able to get a replacement head assembled for $300.
Clutch slave cylinder was all hacked up. He had provided a spare, but had put it together with the hacked up one. It had deep gouges all over it. We had to literally cut it out with a grinder.
Pilot bushing almost looked like it was welded in there. Replacement wasn't really expensive, but again, I shouldn't have to pay for that. It was a PITA to get the old one out.
Perma-gasket was so thick in places i could scrape it off with a knife. The clutch was stuffed full of red grease.
He said he'd done an ABS delete and installed a proportioning valve. The lines running into the valve are corroded. The brakes only operate on the right side of the car right now. As far as "deleting" the ABS, he meant that he'd simply cut all the wires that had gone into the ABS unit, so I've got a bunch of chopped, exposed wires sticking out of the wiring harness.
He painted over the fog lights when he painted the car. Hopefully I can repair that.
The vehicle was advertised as having lower control arms/relocators, thicker swaybar, and crossmember mounted short torque arm. The price was $7500. I paid him the $7k, and an additional $500 for the tires, but didn't get those suspension pieces. I'm guessing the only reason I got the subframe connectors was because they're harder to get out than the rest of it.
Hoses inside fuel pump assembly were cut up, preventing the vehicle from running.
The vehicle has an LS1 intake, despite the fact that it's an 02 vehicle and should have been equipped with the LS6 intake.
It's funny, but The Jester 812 said that I'd have had my car running by now if I'd left it with him. Clearly, he was full of it. He had no idea what he was doing with the car.
His real name is Thomas Foley, and he's from Eastern Shore, Virginia. Beware!
Purchased the vehicle back in December of 2010. Paid $7k, plus the 3% paypal fee. He said he'd put the original LS1 motor back in since he had the 408 ci in it. I wasn't too worried, I was overseas in Kuwait, and wouldn't be back until March. I just wanted the vehicle ready by the time I got back.
I also bought the zr1 wheels and tires from him. The only complaint I have there is that one of the little plastic logos on one of the tires is missing, but the tires alone i think were good for the $500.
I waited and waited. I got back in March. May came around and the car still wasn't ready. I tried to get daily updates on the car, but there was little progress. The mechanic told me that I was harassing him (tried to call him once a day for updates, and that was too often) and said he wasn't going to work on it anymore. I was very polite with everyone I talked to on the phone, because they had my money, and my car. I finally had it shipped to me, non-running. Because it wasn't running, I had to pay an additional $300 to the shipper.
when it got to me, it was missing quite a few pieces. The fuel rail, the valve cover, the pushrods, the ac compressor, the ac bracket, and the ac condensor. The passenger side rear caliper was damaged. A replacement was provided, but the mounting hardware was missing.
I contacted him, and he sent out the fuel rail, the valve cover, and the pushrods. He couldn't find the ac compressor, or ac bracket, and sent me an ac drier instead of a condensor. A/C compressor cost $135 with shipping, a/c condensor cost me 100 with shipping. I also need to purchase the plumbing for the A/C system, and have it charged. Not sure how much that'll cost. My mechanic took off the valve cover on the driver side to check the work that had been done and discovered that the pushrods on that side were 8" long.
I had to purchase new pushrods. $100.
When we put the provided fuel injectors into the fuel rail, we discovered that they were a good inch too short. We had to purchase replacement fuel injectors. $200.
The paint has an orange peel pattern/texture over the entire car, and there are paint drips and chips on the back. I was quoted $400 to correct it at $25/hr.
The u-joint on the driveshaft is mangled. Not too expensive to replace, but I shouldn't have to replace it.
It's missing the floormats. Not a huge deal, but I didn't know they weren't coming with it. If I want the stock ones, I know it'll cost a decent amount, so I'll probably buy some at AutoZone or something.
The hood is scratched up in several places. not sure why that is. There are little asterisk-shaped scratches in several corners.
Minor things: belts are missing, and power steering pulley has a chip on the edge where it contacts the belt
Not to mention labor to get this all put together.
As it is, unfortunately, I've spent well over a thousand dollars trying to get this car put back together, and I paid for it over 7 months ago.
What I'd really like would be to have enough of my money refunded to me so that I can pay my mechanic. I paid for a running car, and got an incomplete, missing parts, project car, 5 months later.
I left negative feedback for him. And just noticed that the headlights pictured in the sale thread are not the headlights that came with the car. Also discovered that the u-joint straps on the drivetrain are missing. I also need to purchase a whole ton of bolts. Minor things, but they add up.
Discovered that the crankshaft didn't rotate inside the block. Pulled the engine and discovered that one of the piston skirts was striking the crankshaft. Had them clearanced, so they rotate now, but that cost me some good money in labor.
The number two spark plug socket was stripped. Found out that he had forced a steel plug in there, and cracked the head. Was able to get a replacement head assembled for $300.
Clutch slave cylinder was all hacked up. He had provided a spare, but had put it together with the hacked up one. It had deep gouges all over it. We had to literally cut it out with a grinder.
Pilot bushing almost looked like it was welded in there. Replacement wasn't really expensive, but again, I shouldn't have to pay for that. It was a PITA to get the old one out.
Perma-gasket was so thick in places i could scrape it off with a knife. The clutch was stuffed full of red grease.
He said he'd done an ABS delete and installed a proportioning valve. The lines running into the valve are corroded. The brakes only operate on the right side of the car right now. As far as "deleting" the ABS, he meant that he'd simply cut all the wires that had gone into the ABS unit, so I've got a bunch of chopped, exposed wires sticking out of the wiring harness.
He painted over the fog lights when he painted the car. Hopefully I can repair that.
The vehicle was advertised as having lower control arms/relocators, thicker swaybar, and crossmember mounted short torque arm. The price was $7500. I paid him the $7k, and an additional $500 for the tires, but didn't get those suspension pieces. I'm guessing the only reason I got the subframe connectors was because they're harder to get out than the rest of it.
Hoses inside fuel pump assembly were cut up, preventing the vehicle from running.
The vehicle has an LS1 intake, despite the fact that it's an 02 vehicle and should have been equipped with the LS6 intake.
It's funny, but The Jester 812 said that I'd have had my car running by now if I'd left it with him. Clearly, he was full of it. He had no idea what he was doing with the car.
His real name is Thomas Foley, and he's from Eastern Shore, Virginia. Beware!
Last edited by JeremyKrauss; 03-25-2012 at 06:54 PM. Reason: Add further complaints/issues.
02-15-2012, 02:42 AM
#6
Launching!
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Illinios
Posts: 222
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Never had it happen to me personally, but I would imagine that this situation is about as bad as it can get. 7k for an incomplete car, that didn't even come with everything that SHOULD have. On top of not getting basic accessories and the aftermarket parts, seemed like there was a lot of backyard know how, and plain stupidity from the way you describe the poor "assemble job" within the heads and engine...just plain shitty.
Hope you get compensated.
Hope you get compensated.
Trending Topics
02-16-2012, 09:49 AM
#8
cant stress this enouph, NEVER buy a performance car without being there to drive it, you ight can get away with that with sedans and suvs cause most people levae those cars alone but there is always a risk, I would of only gave him a deposite on the car and then paid him in full when it was up and running by a certain date and if he didnt meet that date then he could refund the deposit, if he wouldnt agree to that then you know something was up. I doubt you will see anyting from this guy, shame about the car but its to bad you didnt try to do some performance upgrades while you were at it probably wouldnt have costed much more money.
02-16-2012, 05:53 PM
#9
On The Tree
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Yeah, I've learned a valuable lesson. A very very expensive, painful lesson, but it was learned. Probably should've just done a deposit. I've been doing some performance upgrades since it's out, doing the intake/exhaust, getting it tuned properly, all kinds of new and improved parts.
03-04-2012, 10:02 PM
#10
On The Tree
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
To add to the list:
I didn't realize until recently, but there's an LS1 intake on my 2002 engine. WTF.
Went to hook up the cooling system today. Missing the petcock on my radiator. Dammit! a small part, but it's going to hold me up until start of business tomorrow.
I didn't realize until recently, but there's an LS1 intake on my 2002 engine. WTF.
Went to hook up the cooling system today. Missing the petcock on my radiator. Dammit! a small part, but it's going to hold me up until start of business tomorrow.
Last edited by JeremyKrauss; 03-05-2012 at 10:31 PM.
03-06-2012, 03:00 PM
#12
Cadzila's Banned Troll Account
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Billerica, MA
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
you are the dumbass who bought it sight unseen. Be a man and quite your whining. 
https://ls1tech.com/forums/vehicle-c...-upgrades.html
Purchased the vehicle back in December of 2010. Paid $7k, plus the 3% paypal fee. He said he'd put the original LS1 motor back in since he had the 408 ci in it. I wasn't too worried, I was overseas in Kuwait, and wouldn't be back until March. I just wanted the vehicle ready by the time I got back.
I also bought the zr1 wheels and tires from him. The only complaint I have there is that one of the little plastic logos on one of the tires is missing, but the tires alone i think were good for the $500.
I waited and waited. I got back in March. May came around and the car still wasn't ready. I tried to get daily updates on the car, but there was little progress. The mechanic told me that I was harassing him (tried to call him once a day for updates, and that was too often) and said he wasn't going to work on it anymore. I was very polite with everyone I talked to on the phone, because they had my money, and my car. I finally had it shipped to me, non-running. Because it wasn't running, I had to pay an additional $300 to the shipper.
when it got to me, it was missing quite a few pieces. The fuel rail, the valve cover, the pushrods, the ac compressor, the ac bracket, and the ac condensor. The passenger side rear caliper was damaged. A replacement was provided, but the mounting hardware was missing.
I contacted him, and he sent out the fuel rail, the valve cover, and the pushrods. He couldn't find the ac compressor, or ac bracket, and sent me an ac drier instead of a condensor. A/C compressor cost $135 with shipping, a/c condensor cost me 100 with shipping. I also need to purchase the plumbing for the A/C system, and have it charged. Not sure how much that'll cost. My mechanic took off the valve cover on the driver side to check the work that had been done and discovered that the pushrods on that side were 8" long.
I had to purchase new pushrods. $100.
When we put the provided fuel injectors into the fuel rail, we discovered that they were a good inch too short. We had to purchase replacement fuel injectors. $200.
The paint has an orange peel pattern/texture over the entire car, and there are paint drips and chips on the back. I was quoted $400 to correct it at $25/hr.
The u-joint on the driveshaft is mangled. Not too expensive to replace, but I shouldn't have to replace it.
It's missing the floormats. Not a huge deal, but I didn't know they weren't coming with it. If I want the stock ones, I know it'll cost a decent amount, so I'll probably buy some at AutoZone or something.
The hood is scratched up in several places. not sure why that is. There are little asterisk-shaped scratches in several corners.
Minor things: belts are missing, and power steering pulley has a chip on the edge where it contacts the belt
Not to mention labor to get this all put together. Fortunately, the mechanic is only going to charge $25/hr.
As it is, unfortunately, I've spent well over a thousand dollars trying to get this car put back together, and I paid for it over 7 months ago.
What I'd really like would be to have enough of my money refunded to me so that I can pay my mechanic. I paid for a running car, and got an incomplete, missing parts, project car, 5 months later. I'd like to have the difference between the advertised car, and the actual car, but I'd be willing to settle for enough to get her running. $1500 would be fair.
I left negative feedback for him. And just noticed that the headlights pictured in the sale thread are not the headlights that came with the car. Also discovered that the u-joint straps on the drivetrain are missing. I also need to purchase a whole ton of bolts. Minor things, but they add up.
Discovered that the crankshaft didn't rotate inside the block. Pulled the engine and discovered that one of the piston skirts was striking the crankshaft. Had them clearanced, so they rotate now, but that cost me some good money in labor.
The number two spark plug socket was stripped. Found out that he had forced a steel plug in there, and cracked the head. Was able to get a replacement head assembled for $300.
Clutch slave cylinder was all hacked up. He had provided a spare, but had put it together with the hacked up one. It had deep gouges all over it. We had to literally cut it out with a grinder.
Pilot bushing almost looked like it was welded in there. Replacement wasn't really expensive, but again, I shouldn't have to pay for that. It was a PITA to get the old one out.
Perma-gasket was so thick in places i could scrape it off with a knife. The clutch was stuffed full of red grease.
He said he'd done an ABS delete and installed a proportioning valve. The lines running into the valve appear corroded. As far as "deleting" the ABS, he meant that he'd simply cut all the wires that had gone into the ABS unit, so I've got a bunch of chopped, exposed wires sticking out of the wiring harness.
He painted over the fog lights when he painted the car. Hopefully I can repair that.
The vehicle was advertised as having lower control arms/relocators, thicker swaybar, and crossmember mounted short torque arm. The price was $7500. I paid him the $7k, and an additional $500 for the tires, but didn't get those suspension pieces. I'm guessing the only reason I got the subframe connectors was because they're harder to get out than the rest of it. I've got to add new toe links because the current rear end doesn't have them.
Had to have the fuel injectors rebuilt because they were shot. $130.
Have to replace the fuel pump. I've got to post a picture of what it looks like, but it looks like he used a pair of tin shears to cut the hole to upgrade the fuel pump. It's got extremely jagged edges. It's making about 2 PSI right now. OEM: ~$300+. Will purchase a Walbro 255LPH for $105.
It's funny, but The Jester 812 said that I'd have had my car running by now if I'd left it with him. Clearly, he was full of it. He had no idea what he was doing with the car.
His real name is Thomas Foley, and he's from Eastern Shore, Virginia. Beware!
Purchased the vehicle back in December of 2010. Paid $7k, plus the 3% paypal fee. He said he'd put the original LS1 motor back in since he had the 408 ci in it. I wasn't too worried, I was overseas in Kuwait, and wouldn't be back until March. I just wanted the vehicle ready by the time I got back.
I also bought the zr1 wheels and tires from him. The only complaint I have there is that one of the little plastic logos on one of the tires is missing, but the tires alone i think were good for the $500.
I waited and waited. I got back in March. May came around and the car still wasn't ready. I tried to get daily updates on the car, but there was little progress. The mechanic told me that I was harassing him (tried to call him once a day for updates, and that was too often) and said he wasn't going to work on it anymore. I was very polite with everyone I talked to on the phone, because they had my money, and my car. I finally had it shipped to me, non-running. Because it wasn't running, I had to pay an additional $300 to the shipper.
when it got to me, it was missing quite a few pieces. The fuel rail, the valve cover, the pushrods, the ac compressor, the ac bracket, and the ac condensor. The passenger side rear caliper was damaged. A replacement was provided, but the mounting hardware was missing.
I contacted him, and he sent out the fuel rail, the valve cover, and the pushrods. He couldn't find the ac compressor, or ac bracket, and sent me an ac drier instead of a condensor. A/C compressor cost $135 with shipping, a/c condensor cost me 100 with shipping. I also need to purchase the plumbing for the A/C system, and have it charged. Not sure how much that'll cost. My mechanic took off the valve cover on the driver side to check the work that had been done and discovered that the pushrods on that side were 8" long.
I had to purchase new pushrods. $100.
When we put the provided fuel injectors into the fuel rail, we discovered that they were a good inch too short. We had to purchase replacement fuel injectors. $200.
The paint has an orange peel pattern/texture over the entire car, and there are paint drips and chips on the back. I was quoted $400 to correct it at $25/hr.
The u-joint on the driveshaft is mangled. Not too expensive to replace, but I shouldn't have to replace it.
It's missing the floormats. Not a huge deal, but I didn't know they weren't coming with it. If I want the stock ones, I know it'll cost a decent amount, so I'll probably buy some at AutoZone or something.
The hood is scratched up in several places. not sure why that is. There are little asterisk-shaped scratches in several corners.
Minor things: belts are missing, and power steering pulley has a chip on the edge where it contacts the belt
Not to mention labor to get this all put together. Fortunately, the mechanic is only going to charge $25/hr.
As it is, unfortunately, I've spent well over a thousand dollars trying to get this car put back together, and I paid for it over 7 months ago.
What I'd really like would be to have enough of my money refunded to me so that I can pay my mechanic. I paid for a running car, and got an incomplete, missing parts, project car, 5 months later. I'd like to have the difference between the advertised car, and the actual car, but I'd be willing to settle for enough to get her running. $1500 would be fair.
I left negative feedback for him. And just noticed that the headlights pictured in the sale thread are not the headlights that came with the car. Also discovered that the u-joint straps on the drivetrain are missing. I also need to purchase a whole ton of bolts. Minor things, but they add up.
Discovered that the crankshaft didn't rotate inside the block. Pulled the engine and discovered that one of the piston skirts was striking the crankshaft. Had them clearanced, so they rotate now, but that cost me some good money in labor.
The number two spark plug socket was stripped. Found out that he had forced a steel plug in there, and cracked the head. Was able to get a replacement head assembled for $300.
Clutch slave cylinder was all hacked up. He had provided a spare, but had put it together with the hacked up one. It had deep gouges all over it. We had to literally cut it out with a grinder.
Pilot bushing almost looked like it was welded in there. Replacement wasn't really expensive, but again, I shouldn't have to pay for that. It was a PITA to get the old one out.
Perma-gasket was so thick in places i could scrape it off with a knife. The clutch was stuffed full of red grease.
He said he'd done an ABS delete and installed a proportioning valve. The lines running into the valve appear corroded. As far as "deleting" the ABS, he meant that he'd simply cut all the wires that had gone into the ABS unit, so I've got a bunch of chopped, exposed wires sticking out of the wiring harness.
He painted over the fog lights when he painted the car. Hopefully I can repair that.
The vehicle was advertised as having lower control arms/relocators, thicker swaybar, and crossmember mounted short torque arm. The price was $7500. I paid him the $7k, and an additional $500 for the tires, but didn't get those suspension pieces. I'm guessing the only reason I got the subframe connectors was because they're harder to get out than the rest of it. I've got to add new toe links because the current rear end doesn't have them.
Had to have the fuel injectors rebuilt because they were shot. $130.
Have to replace the fuel pump. I've got to post a picture of what it looks like, but it looks like he used a pair of tin shears to cut the hole to upgrade the fuel pump. It's got extremely jagged edges. It's making about 2 PSI right now. OEM: ~$300+. Will purchase a Walbro 255LPH for $105.
It's funny, but The Jester 812 said that I'd have had my car running by now if I'd left it with him. Clearly, he was full of it. He had no idea what he was doing with the car.
His real name is Thomas Foley, and he's from Eastern Shore, Virginia. Beware!
03-06-2012, 07:59 PM
#13
On The Tree
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm aware that I made a mistake in trusting this guy. There isn't any reason to attack me over it. I've learned my lesson, and I trust my fellow man a lot less now because of it.
I just put this up to let people know not to deal with him, and to see if he would try to right what he did. Not because I'm complaining, oh, poor me, looking for your sympathy.
I just put this up to let people know not to deal with him, and to see if he would try to right what he did. Not because I'm complaining, oh, poor me, looking for your sympathy.
03-06-2012, 10:07 PM
#14
TECH Resident
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Valdosta Ga.
Posts: 900
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wow! I cant believe someone would buy a car let alone a performance car without driving it or seeing it in person! That just blows my mind!
Its all done now. Sorry for your loss. Guy sounds like a real dick.
Its all done now. Sorry for your loss. Guy sounds like a real dick.
03-14-2012, 06:12 PM
#16
On The Tree
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Lancaster, PA
Posts: 195
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Umm, depending on how you paid, initiate a credit card charge back. or, take ti small claims court, when he doesnt show there will be a warrant issued for his arrest in your state. then file one in his home state as well. fly out and sue his ***.
03-19-2012, 12:51 AM
#18
On The Tree
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'll be the first to admit that I was foolish to purchase it sight unseen.
What I SHOULD have done was hire somebody to go out and look at the vehicle and tell me to stay the hell away from it.
All I can do is work on my car, and trust karma will take care of him.
What I SHOULD have done was hire somebody to go out and look at the vehicle and tell me to stay the hell away from it.
All I can do is work on my car, and trust karma will take care of him.
03-19-2012, 12:58 AM
#19
It might be worth pursuing in small claims court. Id definitely check my options you got screwed pretty hard. I would file a claim with paypal too! I understand the point people are making that he should check it out, but he said he learned that lesson dont rub salt in an open wound. Youd think youd be able to half *** trust someone to at least sell you a running car. If I bought one unseen, Id expect and accept a few problems, but damn...
03-19-2012, 08:16 PM
#20
I agree! What the heck! The guy was in Kuwait! Probably a service member. I don't care if he even saw a photo of the car, the guy should have been honest about the car!!! No excuse for that. The car was nothing as described.