ActionJack

It is not so much that I am sick of hearing about Performance and Handling but rather I wanted more information.

I read Road/Kills allot and always hear some WRX or other chime in about how fast the WRX is or how it out performs everything in 'handling'. Well, I did allot of research on the web and results tend to vary a bit. Even with Motortrend where I got allot of info the same vehicle could vary slightly in the next report. I beleive this is due to external factors beyond the car itself: driver, weather, altitude, etc.

This is what I formulated:

2001 WS6 TA
0 to 60 5.0 sec
1/4 13.1 @ 107
skidpad .84g (another said .88g)
60 to 0 121 feet
600ft 66 mph


2004 GTO
0 to 60 5.3 sec
1/4 13.6 @ 105
skidpad .80g
60 to 0 120 feet
600ft 63.5 mph


2003 Cobra SVT
0 to 60 4.9 sec
1/4 13.1 @ 109
skidpad .85g
60 to 0 121 feet
600ft 64.1 mph


2003 C5 Corvette (sorry someone else can do the Z06)
0 to 60 4.7 sec
1/4 13 @ 110
skidpad .88g
60 to 0 115 feet
600ft 66.4 mph


2004 WRX STi
0 to 60 4.9 sec
1/4 13.2 @ 105
skidpad .9g
60 to 0 111 feet
600ft 69.1 mph


2003 EVO VIII
0 to 60 4.9 sec
1/4 13.1 @ 105
skidpad ???
60 to 0 106 feet
600ft 71.4 mph


*2002 Porsche GT2
0 to 60 3.8 sec
1/4 12.1 @ 120
skidpad ???
60 to 0 107 feet
600ft 68.3 mph


For those that want to call BS I will include many of the links I used. Or better yet. Call BS and provide your link to back it up. I welcome it

ActionJack

LINKS:

link vette and cobra

link wrx and evo

link GTO

link to porsche

evo viii link

multiple links for wrx and other

ws6/ss link

ws6/ta link

ws6 link

few more to come. time for some zzzzz's

Blakbird24

iTrader: (24)

To anyone who thinks that an STI (or EVO...GOD I hate the EVO) is a better car than any of the LS1's I offer this 3-step remedy:

1 - Drive an STI (or...ugh...EVO)

2 - Then drive ANY LS1

3 - Then tell me with a straight face you would actually buy an STI or EVO over the LS1.

I'd bet money you can't.

I haven't driven the EVO (it's a mitsubishi...on that fact alone, in my mind, it's a write-off), but I very recently drove an STI...I think it's very over-hyped. Yeah it's damn fast, but it feels exactly like it is - an overpowed sedan. Just can't match the feel of a finely tuned sports car.

I need no links or proof to convince me of what my instincts told me from the beginning.

cjacks7

iTrader: (1)

don't dog on the sti and the evo so bad, they are great cars to drive, but they are based off of a different format than a f-body. I do like my camaro more, but for an all around car my wrx was a better daily driver. The reason why I sold it was that the tranny was crap in it, and after it breaking 3 times in 9 months I was told no more warranty on the tranny so byebye subie, hello LS1.

absolut_speed

iTrader: (1)

You're insinuating an F-body is a finely tuned sports car?

ChillnV

I'll stick to my TWO-door sports car $hit on those family mobiles

Iv_z28

Yeah... I would call BS

Come on... Ok.. f-body's and vette's are crap. But do you seriosly really believe that EVO would beat GT2 in BRAKING and by 3MPH (!!!) in a SLALOM??

That just shows that magazines are being paid to produce results car makers would like you to believe. Pure marketing & deceptive advertisement. In this particular case it's pretty simple - Mitsubishi would like a certain group of people to believe that EVO is in the same class as some high-end porsches....

apathy

I would like to see you drive an Fbody through a wet road course, and then the WRX through the same course.

You don't think the f-body was intended to go down the drag strip?

I'm not defending any argument about better handling or a skidpad performance. But I'd pay you some bones if you could make a stock fbody run through that course faster than the stock WRX. Have you ever taken a RWD truck on ice/snow?

And I seriously hope those numbers AREN'T right, since the GT-2 is pretty much a supercar, from what I understand.

apathy

Or a sports car at all...

dubs6

iTrader: (1)

what nobody ever put into consideratoin here is looks. if a van ran a 12.8 stopped in 115 feet and pulled .9 gs would you buy it. f no
oh yeh and if my car was supposed to run a 13.1 stock what is wrong with me. i call bs on that and that only.

Blakbird24

iTrader: (24)

Why do I always get this argument? Wet road course?! Think about what you say before you say it, because i'm sure you are not as dumb as you just sounded. When did we all of a sudden gain the need for a car that can carve corners in the snow? We'll be waiting for some time if that's the case because the WRX or any other AWD car for that matter "ain't gonna cut it". You think because it's AWD or better balanced (which it's not), it's going to handle the slalom or any set course better? WRONG. AWD improves all weather accelelration and control under acceleration...it can improve handling on dry pavement...but that's only because you *shouldn't* have to worry about overpowering the tires mid-turn. Other than that, it's the fact that the WRX is a smaller and more nimble car...and even then it barely bests the LS1, cause it's just too heavy - and that's the most important element to begin with. *** ANY CAR on a wet or snow covered course and it will perform abysmally. It's a simple matter of physics, the best tires, suspension and driveline in the world cannot change the laws of motion. A heavy car will handle like a heavy car, and driven hard in the rain, it's just a 3600lb death warrant.

Besides who cares how a car performs in the rain? Anyone who drives like that in the rain deserves whatever painful end they find. My T/A has seen rain twice in it's life, and I *** my best to keep that number where it's at.

See that's what I mean...how could you possibly have the need to outhandle and outrun ANY car in the rain? That's just ridiculous.

Iv_z28

Sure it's not. The only sports cars on the list are vette and GT2 (both RWD, BTW ). What's your point?

boondiggys

iTrader: (165)

he was so sick of hearing it that he had make others hear these terrible words rather than forget about it and make people argue about it....v8s alwasy gunna **** on the 4 bangers no matter what done deal

1BADFNZ

hmmm racing on a wet road course.... no thanks I'll pass with any car.

z98

The EVO outbrakes every car on that lists?

THATS UNPOSSIBLE

1BADFNZ

Well if I remember right the Evo has Brembo's.... but still shouldn't out brake the Porsche

unit213

Unpossible?

1BADFNZ

technical

There's one thing that's always been universal and that is...Porche's brakes are the best factory brakes in the industry. I have a jar full of old fillings to prove it.

Dean-o

If anyone thinks a WRX can out handle a Z06, they are smoking crack! A z06 is capable of over 1.0 latteral G thru corners. And we know it will crush a WRX in a straight line as well.