HELP: newbie to timing retard for nitrous
12-16-2008, 09:01 PM
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HELP: newbie to timing retard for nitrous i have a cam only car with bolt ons that will only get more extreme with time but as of right now its cam only with bolt ons with a NOS plate kit.
whats the biggest shot i can shoot with the car without having to mess with the timing?
does a Lingenfelter Adjustable Launch Controller do the same thing as a Timing Tuner?? from what i understand the lingenfelter can do timing adjusting as well.............................................. ...........
any help you guys can give will be appreciated thanks
whats the biggest shot i can shoot with the car without having to mess with the timing?
does a Lingenfelter Adjustable Launch Controller do the same thing as a Timing Tuner?? from what i understand the lingenfelter can do timing adjusting as well.............................................. ...........
any help you guys can give will be appreciated thanks
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ok, i understand that, but it could have 24* or 30* max timing n/a call your tuner and have him look. a ms4 i bet is over or around 28* and timing needs to be pulled for nitrous. my 232/234 has 27* n/a and i pull 5* for a 150 hit
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i will call and ask him tomorrow... but do you know if the timing tuner and lingenfelter setup do the same things? or are both necessary?
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12-16-2008, 10:03 PM
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for nitrous, you want the timing to be pulled when nitrous is spraying. so if you can have eather the lpe unit or timing tuner set up to pull timing when you want it to then it should work. also look in to hsw interface, you can add or subtract fuel and pull timing, its a great thing once dialed in
12-16-2008, 10:12 PM
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Timing Tuner and Lingenfelter LNC-002 I am not familiar with the Timing Tuner so I just went and looked at the operating instructions for it. I am fairly familiar with the LNC-002 from Lingenfelters 
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The Timing Tuner (from looking at the instruction manual) retards timing by modifying the crank sensor signal to the ECM/PCM. The Lingenfelter LNC-002 retards timing by delaying when the coils are actually told to fire (taking the signal from the ECM/PCM and delaying it as needed).
Both should be able to retard the timing so I don't think you would need both devices unless you wanted to use the Timing Tuner for timing retard and then the LNC-002 for the 2-step/RPM limit function. The Timing Tuner can advance or retard timing while the LNC-002 can only retard timing.
The Timing Tuner appears to have some N20 control functions as well. The LNC-002 does not.
The ECM/PCM will not know/display the actual ignition timing when in retard mode with either device since the ECM/PCM is not aware of what either device is doing. The LNC-002 has an analog voltage output signal so you can monitor and record the actual timing retard being taken out. I don't see such a feature on the Timing Tuner.
Hope this helps.
.The Timing Tuner (from looking at the instruction manual) retards timing by modifying the crank sensor signal to the ECM/PCM. The Lingenfelter LNC-002 retards timing by delaying when the coils are actually told to fire (taking the signal from the ECM/PCM and delaying it as needed).
Both should be able to retard the timing so I don't think you would need both devices unless you wanted to use the Timing Tuner for timing retard and then the LNC-002 for the 2-step/RPM limit function. The Timing Tuner can advance or retard timing while the LNC-002 can only retard timing.
The Timing Tuner appears to have some N20 control functions as well. The LNC-002 does not.
The ECM/PCM will not know/display the actual ignition timing when in retard mode with either device since the ECM/PCM is not aware of what either device is doing. The LNC-002 has an analog voltage output signal so you can monitor and record the actual timing retard being taken out. I don't see such a feature on the Timing Tuner.
Hope this helps.
12-16-2008, 10:17 PM
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I am not familiar with the Timing Tuner so I just went and looked at the operating instructions for it. I am fairly familiar with the LNC-002 from Lingenfelters .
The Timing Tuner (from looking at the instruction manual) retards timing by modifying the crank sensor signal to the ECM/PCM. The Lingenfelter LNC-002 retards timing by delaying when the coils are actually told to fire (taking the signal from the ECM/PCM and delaying it as needed).
Both should be able to retard the timing so I don't think you would need both devices unless you wanted to use the Timing Tuner for timing retard and then the LNC-002 for the 2-step/RPM limit function. The Timing Tuner can advance or retard timing while the LNC-002 can only retard timing.
The Timing Tuner appears to have some N20 control functions as well. The LNC-002 does not.
The ECM/PCM will not know/display the actual ignition timing when in retard mode with either device since the ECM/PCM is not aware of what either device is doing. The LNC-002 has an analog voltage output signal so you can monitor and record the actual timing retard being taken out. I don't see such a feature on the Timing Tuner.
Hope this helps.
.The Timing Tuner (from looking at the instruction manual) retards timing by modifying the crank sensor signal to the ECM/PCM. The Lingenfelter LNC-002 retards timing by delaying when the coils are actually told to fire (taking the signal from the ECM/PCM and delaying it as needed).
Both should be able to retard the timing so I don't think you would need both devices unless you wanted to use the Timing Tuner for timing retard and then the LNC-002 for the 2-step/RPM limit function. The Timing Tuner can advance or retard timing while the LNC-002 can only retard timing.
The Timing Tuner appears to have some N20 control functions as well. The LNC-002 does not.
The ECM/PCM will not know/display the actual ignition timing when in retard mode with either device since the ECM/PCM is not aware of what either device is doing. The LNC-002 has an analog voltage output signal so you can monitor and record the actual timing retard being taken out. I don't see such a feature on the Timing Tuner.
Hope this helps.
thanks very much for all your help!!! but in what case would you need to advance timing? also can you set the lingenfelter setup up to do both a 2 step and retard timing?
12-16-2008, 10:21 PM
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Lingenfelter LNC-002 Yes, the LNC-002 can do timing retard and also 2-step/RPM limiting with the same setup (even at the same time if needed).
You wouldn't normally need to advance the timing unless your base calibration didn't have enough timing in it in the first place. I was mostly just pointing out differences in the functions of the two devices.
You wouldn't normally need to advance the timing unless your base calibration didn't have enough timing in it in the first place. I was mostly just pointing out differences in the functions of the two devices.
12-17-2008, 10:04 AM
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Im in the same boat as the OP with a MS4. Im not sure what the timing is and I dont trust calling the tuner to "ask" and hope hes right. Im just going to get a tune and know im in the right
12-18-2008, 11:32 AM
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update talked with tuner and he suggested "I would pull 2 degrees for a 100-150 shot and 3 degrees for 175+ shot"
does that sound right??
does that sound right??
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so i wouldnt need to worry about advancing timing correct only retarding it? im looking to get the lingenfelter tool mentioned above the LNC-002
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Yes, the LNC-002 can do timing retard and also 2-step/RPM limiting with the same setup (even at the same time if needed).
You wouldn't normally need to advance the timing unless your base calibration didn't have enough timing in it in the first place. I was mostly just pointing out differences in the functions of the two devices.
You wouldn't normally need to advance the timing unless your base calibration didn't have enough timing in it in the first place. I was mostly just pointing out differences in the functions of the two devices.
looks like im gonna be getting one of these