2002_TAWS6

Car is an 02 TA WS6 6-spd
mods are:

air lid, corsa catback, thunder racing 224 114 cam, pulley and few free mods.

Dynoed 360rwhp after tuning was made. Headers are coming soon.

Im hoping to hit close to 400rwhp n/a and spray 100 shot over that to 500rwhp.

I am not going with a 12 bolt or a 9 bolt. Ill stick with stock 10 bolt and nitto DRs. Car doesnt visit the track too often so anything under 2sec for 60ft times will be more than enough.

Intended purpose is to be a very fast street car. I would want to beat 911 turbos from a roll.

Only thing that worries me is traction. I heard a sudden 100 rwhp jump (approx. from 400rwhp to 500rwhp - not to mention the torque) will spin even nitto DR tires very badly. Im talking about the 275 40 R17 nitto 555 DRs here.

Wayne from MTI told me spraying 150 on 3rd gear with nitto DRs will not take me anywhere. 100 shot could be just as bad.

Anyone with a similar combo out there could be of great help by explaining their own experience.

The only solution to this so far is to get an n20 progressive controller but is it worth it really? Remember nitto tires are the best i could do - this car is my only daily driver going thru all kinds of weather conditions so substituting tires is not an option for me really.

Im planning on going with a huge nitrous kit with all the bells and whistles for $2000+ installed and dyno tuned (purge kit, remote bottle opener -everything you can think of).

I would hate to spend all that money and end up only being able to spray at 4th gear or maybe use a small 50 shot.

Please help. I have no idea what to expect.

Some people say spraying at 1st gear is ok with a little modualating (sp?) while others say 3rd gear could be useless)... need to know the truth here.

I need advice from people who really experienced this.

Let me know if there any other information needed.
Thanks.

EVIL

i ran my car with bolt ons and a 100 shot and i could it it in 2nd on drag radials, but im guessing that with the cam and on nitto's, you will most likely spin alot.

at the track i was able to spray the top of 1st gear on without spinning which netted me some 121 mph trap speeds. it was great on the street!

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did you ever try spraying after your cam installation?

EVIL

yea, but only on hoosiers.

car made almost 600 ft lbs of tq, im sure that would kill a set of drag radials at almost anyspeed on the street.

2002_TAWS6

600 ft lbs of tq?

was that with just a cam and bolt ons with a 100 shot?
did you have heads when you made almost 600 tq?

EVIL

home ported ones that are flowed more on the exhaust side. also with a low compression setup.

car made 390 rwhp on motor and 497/575 on a 100 shot and we havent dynoed it on the 150, but its got to be in the 560-570 range with over 600 ft/lbs of tq.

EVIL

on another note, my buddy has the same cam in his a4 car with a 100 shot and at 60 mph is will almost spin the car around when you hit the juice.

x phantom x

iTrader: (14)

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Come on guys .... get a progressive nitrous controller and be done with it. Far less broken parts, less traction issues, and will probably net you better times.

2002_TAWS6

thanks for the replies.
now that i hear these responses i know for a fact traction is going to be an issue for sure. (lets here some more responses so i can make sure it really IS a problem to begin with).

so will a progressive nitrous controller really solve my traction problem?

EVIL

i run the FRED on my setup and i just havent been able to find the sweet spot on it yet, but im sure for a street application it will work alot better. i just dont run around on the street spraying my car.

2002_TAWS6

whats FRED?

EVIL

a copy of an older nx maximiser.

2002_TAWS6

Hey Brian I appreciate the quick replies thanks a ton

so I assume FRED, NX Maximizer, and progressive controllers all do the same thing - basically controlling the flow of the nitrous?

Which is supposed to be the best and why?

One thing that worries me about progressive controllers is that it would have to make my solenoids work much faster and the quick open and close pattern could be a really bad thing (not to mention it could reduce the life of the solenoid very quickly?). Do I have to worry about the noids when it comes to using progressive controllers?

Sorry Im still kinda new to this. Need to learn more about all of this. I dont know the exact pros and cons of progressive controllers.

Hope you could help.

EVIL

the new nx maximiser is pretty slick, you can program it with a laptop or pda. pretty pricey.

nitro daves sells them i think.

2002_TAWS6

oh so im going to have to buy a laptop or a pda to make it work? that sucks lol.

I guess im going to have to do some researching on this nx maximiser thing. Thanks for helping me find the right track.

WICKED SS

iTrader: (36)

the TR224 cam and nitrous will work out pretty good!

I gain exactly a 100rwhp with this cam and NX wet kit. I was making close to 400rwhp with this cam only and 500+ with nitrous
Traction wasnt too bad with the Nitto 555R's.
From a rolling start first gear = no tracion
With nittos you can hook up in first from a stop and a nice burn out.
I would sometimes hook in second gear from a roll, just feather it out and shift into third and you should hook up. Not too many cars would be able to pull on me when I had this set up Supras,supercharged mustangs, Vettes, vipers ect.
good luck

2002_TAWS6

WICKED SS
Thanks for the reply.

Do you have an auto?

When you mentioned:

"Traction wasnt too bad with the Nitto 555R's.
From a rolling start first gear = no tracion
With nittos you can hook up in first from a stop and a nice burn out.
I would sometimes hook in second gear from a roll, just feather it out and shift into third and you should hook up." you were reffering to the run on spray right?

The reason I ask is because im thinking about going with either a 100rwhp shot, 125rwhp shot or a 150rwhp and i thought traction on those nittos could be bad enough where i might NEED an NX maximizer to progressively control the flow of the nitrous?

Is the traction bad enough where I absolutely HAVE to get a maximizer for the 100 shot? what about the 150 rwhp shot? I drive a manual.

Hope you can help.
Awesome vids by the way!!

Bad Habit Bird

iTrader: (12)

For the money that you would spend on a progressive controller why not just setup a two stage kit on the car with two window switches? Run a 75 dry shot from 3200 to 6600 and another 75 wet from 4600 to 6600. This would keep the torque down in a managable range which would in turn help with any traction issues you might have.

WICKED SS

iTrader: (36)

2002_TAWS6
I have a 6 speed.

yes I was reffering to when I spray. On motor I would hook up great with Nittos.

If I still had my 346ci running I would run as much as a 175 shot. These stock bottom ends are pretty strong. I had my car set up to have a little over 600rwhp and if you run a 150 shot you will be fine as long as you have your car tuned and the fuel for it.

Like Bad Habit Bird said dont waste your money on NX maximizer unless your running over a 200 shot. but thats just what I would do.

"Awesome vids by the way!!"
thanks! I hope to add some more soon when I get my new motor together

2002_TAWS6

WICKED SS, thanks for the response.

On the 100RWHP shot on nittos, in a 2nd gear roll, could you go WOT all the way to 3rd or does the 100 shot kinda shock the tires where you'd have to modulate the gas pedal here and there on your way to 3rd gear?

Do you think my nittos will handle the 150 shot?...

Hmm... maybe i should go with a 2 stage setup... 100 shot in the first 2 gears and 150 on 3rd onwards