Nitrous Dave special vs TNT f1 kit
06-22-2005, 11:30 AM
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Nitrous Dave special vs TNT f1 kit Nitrous Dave special vs TNT f1 kit, just as it sounds. Which kit is better? I'm going with one of them, dont have any experience w/nitorus so I'm looking for facts and experience. The one draw back to the dave kit from my inexperienced perception is the bellows to hold the nozzles. IS this ok or is the solid ring better? What does nitrous do to rubber after a while? Can someone with experience please compare the two kits and give the pro's and cons of them? Really need an informed opinion here, my car is a keeper, I wont be selling it. I have a set of prc 2.5 heads on the way as well if that helps with any factors.
This is a tough choice. I've been treated very well by Texas SPeed and would give them my business in a heartbeat. I've read nothing but possitive remarks about Dave as well. Remarks to the point where I want to buy from this guy as it sounds like he really cares about his customers. But I can only buy from one. Either one I go with I'm convinced I can't go wrong
This is a tough choice. I've been treated very well by Texas SPeed and would give them my business in a heartbeat. I've read nothing but possitive remarks about Dave as well. Remarks to the point where I want to buy from this guy as it sounds like he really cares about his customers. But I can only buy from one. Either one I go with I'm convinced I can't go wrong
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06-22-2005, 12:04 PM
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I think that both kits are great and you can not go wrong with either one.
The reason why we desighned this kit was the take the things we liked and make the best kit we could using two nozzles.
We used Ys instead of Ts because Ts are restrictive.We included the New 45 degree valve.This valve has two ports in the side of it.THey are great for a heater sensor,nitrous gauge,or nitrogen push.We included the bellow so that you would have a ftermarket bello that fits perfect so you do not have to Cut your 100 dollar air lid.The Nozzles have nozzle adapters that hold the nozzles in the bellows firmly and safely.We included the NHRA Fitting and blow down tube so you can pass tech.We also included a very nice nitrous pressure gauge that is liquid filled so that you know exactly what your bottle pressure is at.Also this kit comes with jetting all the way up to 300 hp so that you do not have any more money out of pocket.
If you take the price of 599 versus 754.00 you cant beat it.
The main difference is that we are giving you a bello that you can put your dual nozzles in instead of a power ring.Instaed we added some other perks.
Either way you go you cant go wrong.I like the TNT KIt.
Dave
The reason why we desighned this kit was the take the things we liked and make the best kit we could using two nozzles.
We used Ys instead of Ts because Ts are restrictive.We included the New 45 degree valve.This valve has two ports in the side of it.THey are great for a heater sensor,nitrous gauge,or nitrogen push.We included the bellow so that you would have a ftermarket bello that fits perfect so you do not have to Cut your 100 dollar air lid.The Nozzles have nozzle adapters that hold the nozzles in the bellows firmly and safely.We included the NHRA Fitting and blow down tube so you can pass tech.We also included a very nice nitrous pressure gauge that is liquid filled so that you know exactly what your bottle pressure is at.Also this kit comes with jetting all the way up to 300 hp so that you do not have any more money out of pocket.
If you take the price of 599 versus 754.00 you cant beat it.
The main difference is that we are giving you a bello that you can put your dual nozzles in instead of a power ring.Instaed we added some other perks.
Either way you go you cant go wrong.I like the TNT KIt.
Dave
06-22-2005, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
I think that both kits are great and you can not go wrong with either one.
The reason why we desighned this kit was the take the things we liked and make the best kit we could using two nozzles.
We used Ys instead of Ts because Ts are restrictive.We included the New 45 degree valve.This valve has two ports in the side of it.THey are great for a heater sensor,nitrous gauge,or nitrogen push.We included the bellow so that you would have a ftermarket bello that fits perfect so you do not have to Cut your 100 dollar air lid.The Nozzles have nozzle adapters that hold the nozzles in the bellows firmly and safely.We included the NHRA Fitting and blow down tube so you can pass tech.We also included a very nice nitrous pressure gauge that is liquid filled so that you know exactly what your bottle pressure is at.Also this kit comes with jetting all the way up to 300 hp so that you do not have any more money out of pocket.
If you take the price of 599 versus 754.00 you cant beat it.
The main difference is that we are giving you a bello that you can put your dual nozzles in instead of a power ring.Instaed we added some other perks.
Either way you go you cant go wrong.I like the TNT KIt.
Dave
The reason why we desighned this kit was the take the things we liked and make the best kit we could using two nozzles.
We used Ys instead of Ts because Ts are restrictive.We included the New 45 degree valve.This valve has two ports in the side of it.THey are great for a heater sensor,nitrous gauge,or nitrogen push.We included the bellow so that you would have a ftermarket bello that fits perfect so you do not have to Cut your 100 dollar air lid.The Nozzles have nozzle adapters that hold the nozzles in the bellows firmly and safely.We included the NHRA Fitting and blow down tube so you can pass tech.We also included a very nice nitrous pressure gauge that is liquid filled so that you know exactly what your bottle pressure is at.Also this kit comes with jetting all the way up to 300 hp so that you do not have any more money out of pocket.
If you take the price of 599 versus 754.00 you cant beat it.
The main difference is that we are giving you a bello that you can put your dual nozzles in instead of a power ring.Instaed we added some other perks.
Either way you go you cant go wrong.I like the TNT KIt.
Dave
06-22-2005, 12:27 PM
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I didn't have to cut my air lid at all with my new TNT kit. All I had to do was trim my slp smooth bellow to fit between the powerring and MAF sensor. I also really enjoy the look of the kit too. I'm nearing completion and can't wait to spray. Guys with TNT kits usually get good rwhp and rwtq results.
06-22-2005, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
Oh.If you really need a power ring.I have one TNT power ring left ifor a stock size throttle body.Ill be more than happy to sell for 69.00.
Hope all this helped.
Dave
Hope all this helped.
Dave
06-22-2005, 01:18 PM
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OK,
Nx solenoids are lifetime warrenty.They will rebuild them and send them back to you for free.TNT will rebuild theres but you will have to pay for parts.The NX solenois also have a purge port directly in the side of the solenoid.This way you can purge all the air all the way up into the solenoid out.The NX jetting is accurate.This means if you put a 150hp jetting in it it will get exactly 150 in it.Not 175 or 200.They have spent the time and reasearch to make sure that the jetting is dead on.
The NX nozzle is oone of if not the best distributing nozzle on the market.This is why they can also offer wider range of jetting on there directports.
AS far as saftey devices,A window switch is a must.NX has the widest range of top quality accessories to help any system you choice fuction properly.
Now again nothing agaist TNT.If Texas speed is selling F1s for 650.00 thats a great deal.I have been told that TNT finaly has taken care of the fitment problems there power rings have had for 5 years now.So I can honestly say if thats the case the TNT kit is a great system.It has good stainless nozzles,good solenoids(do not have purge port though).The TNT kit is well worth 650.00.
This one will come down to prefference.
Dave
Nx solenoids are lifetime warrenty.They will rebuild them and send them back to you for free.TNT will rebuild theres but you will have to pay for parts.The NX solenois also have a purge port directly in the side of the solenoid.This way you can purge all the air all the way up into the solenoid out.The NX jetting is accurate.This means if you put a 150hp jetting in it it will get exactly 150 in it.Not 175 or 200.They have spent the time and reasearch to make sure that the jetting is dead on.
The NX nozzle is oone of if not the best distributing nozzle on the market.This is why they can also offer wider range of jetting on there directports.
AS far as saftey devices,A window switch is a must.NX has the widest range of top quality accessories to help any system you choice fuction properly.
Now again nothing agaist TNT.If Texas speed is selling F1s for 650.00 thats a great deal.I have been told that TNT finaly has taken care of the fitment problems there power rings have had for 5 years now.So I can honestly say if thats the case the TNT kit is a great system.It has good stainless nozzles,good solenoids(do not have purge port though).The TNT kit is well worth 650.00.
This one will come down to prefference.
Dave
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
Nitrous Dave special vs TNT f1 kit, just as it sounds. Which kit is better? I'm going with one of them, dont have any experience w/nitorus so I'm looking for facts and experience. The one draw back to the dave kit from my inexperienced perception is the bellows to hold the nozzles. IS this ok or is the solid ring better? What does nitrous do to rubber after a while? Can someone with experience please compare the two kits and give the pro's and cons of them? Really need an informed opinion here, my car is a keeper, I wont be selling it. I have a set of prc 2.5 heads on the way as well if that helps with any factors.
This is a tough choice. I've been treated very well by Texas SPeed and would give them my business in a heartbeat. I've read nothing but possitive remarks about Dave as well. Remarks to the point where I want to buy from this guy as it sounds like he really cares about his customers. But I can only buy from one. Either one I go with I'm convinced I can't go wrong
This is a tough choice. I've been treated very well by Texas SPeed and would give them my business in a heartbeat. I've read nothing but possitive remarks about Dave as well. Remarks to the point where I want to buy from this guy as it sounds like he really cares about his customers. But I can only buy from one. Either one I go with I'm convinced I can't go wrong
06-22-2005, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
OK,
Nx solenoids are lifetime warrenty.They will rebuild them and send them back to you for free.
Is that so?? N/C
TNT will rebuild theres but you will have to pay for parts.
Would you expect to keep getting valve's 4 free on a set of heads you purchased years ago?? And the whopping $19 for a new piston and no charge on labor is absolutely outrageous I guess??
The NX solenois also have a purge port directly in the side of the solenoid.This way you can purge all the air all the way up into the solenoid out.
No debate thats sweet..
The NX jetting is accurate.This means if you put a 150hp jetting in it it will get exactly 150 in it.Not 175 or 200.They have spent the time and reasearch to make sure that the jetting is dead on.
We have folder's of dyno sheets and I explianed our RWHP #'s since WE brought the RW Nitrous rating into the industry @900psi..
The NX nozzle is oone of if not the best distributing nozzle on the market.
Is 1 of definately, but far from the best.. Sorry I can say that and sleep well at night..No offense Ricky
This is why they can also offer wider range of jetting on there directports.
Our direct ports were designed to make power 300hp+, not make a car look intimidating while they use a 80hp setting..But then again if our nozzle had distribution problems I could see why you would need a direct port for good distribution at such a low setting
AS far as saftey devices,A window switch is a must.NX has the widest range of top quality accessories to help any system you choice fuction properly.
Agree, window switch is HIGHLY reccomended, and NX does make accesories and reccomend them all the time, but so does MSD's new digital switch which I perfer myself..
Now again nothing agaist TNT.If Texas speed is selling F1s for 650.00 thats a great deal.
Absolutley..
I have been told that TNT finaly has taken care of the fitment problems there power rings have had for 5 years now.
Cheap shot dave, everyone has issues at times cause three letters come to my mind "NXL" but conduct business how ever you feel like is necessary
So I can honestly say if thats the case the TNT kit is a great system.It has good stainless nozzles,good solenoids(do not have purge port though).The TNT kit is well worth 650.00.
This one will come down to prefference.
Dave
Nx solenoids are lifetime warrenty.They will rebuild them and send them back to you for free.
Is that so?? N/C
TNT will rebuild theres but you will have to pay for parts.
Would you expect to keep getting valve's 4 free on a set of heads you purchased years ago?? And the whopping $19 for a new piston and no charge on labor is absolutely outrageous I guess??
The NX solenois also have a purge port directly in the side of the solenoid.This way you can purge all the air all the way up into the solenoid out.
No debate thats sweet..
The NX jetting is accurate.This means if you put a 150hp jetting in it it will get exactly 150 in it.Not 175 or 200.They have spent the time and reasearch to make sure that the jetting is dead on.
We have folder's of dyno sheets and I explianed our RWHP #'s since WE brought the RW Nitrous rating into the industry @900psi..
The NX nozzle is oone of if not the best distributing nozzle on the market.
Is 1 of definately, but far from the best.. Sorry I can say that and sleep well at night..No offense Ricky
This is why they can also offer wider range of jetting on there directports.
Our direct ports were designed to make power 300hp+, not make a car look intimidating while they use a 80hp setting..But then again if our nozzle had distribution problems I could see why you would need a direct port for good distribution at such a low setting
AS far as saftey devices,A window switch is a must.NX has the widest range of top quality accessories to help any system you choice fuction properly.
Agree, window switch is HIGHLY reccomended, and NX does make accesories and reccomend them all the time, but so does MSD's new digital switch which I perfer myself..
Now again nothing agaist TNT.If Texas speed is selling F1s for 650.00 thats a great deal.
Absolutley..
I have been told that TNT finaly has taken care of the fitment problems there power rings have had for 5 years now.
Cheap shot dave, everyone has issues at times cause three letters come to my mind "NXL" but conduct business how ever you feel like is necessary
So I can honestly say if thats the case the TNT kit is a great system.It has good stainless nozzles,good solenoids(do not have purge port though).The TNT kit is well worth 650.00.
This one will come down to prefference.
Dave
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06-22-2005, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by David@TNT
Sorry, had 2 get some facts straight..
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06-22-2005, 02:44 PM
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speaking of cheap shots and being able to sleep at night:
TNTDave, have you ever seen an aluminum nozzle 'wear-out' from nitrous flow?
Why add the weight and cost for SS vs. aluminum?
TNTDave, have you ever seen an aluminum nozzle 'wear-out' from nitrous flow?
Why add the weight and cost for SS vs. aluminum?
06-22-2005, 03:03 PM
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David sorry I didnt mean that as a jab at TNT.I was just trying to state that the problem had been fixed.In the past that was a problem that actually kept me from selling a TNT kit to some customers.Alot of people would get upset about the fact that yall knew it was a problem and didnt fix it.They did not like cutting up a 100 dollar part to make the kit fit.So I was pointing out that it was fixed.
I should have typed it different but I was in a hurry.
I still think you guys offer a great system.Nothing personal.
NX had some problems with the NXL due to rushing it into the market to meet demand.But the went back and fixed all the problems and even took anysystem that was sold before hand back no questions asked.They also did not waist any time addressing the issue.
Thats great customer service.
Dave
I should have typed it different but I was in a hurry.
I still think you guys offer a great system.Nothing personal.
NX had some problems with the NXL due to rushing it into the market to meet demand.But the went back and fixed all the problems and even took anysystem that was sold before hand back no questions asked.They also did not waist any time addressing the issue.
Thats great customer service.
Dave
06-22-2005, 03:09 PM
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Weight of a single nozzle stainless versus aluminum?? Come on now you are just being silly now.
Also just a guess but I think by durability I dont think he meant it wearing out from flowing nitrous, probably meant something more along the lines of how it will stand up to screwing the jet in, attaching the line and regular wear and tear. Over tightening aluminum is an easy thing to do if you arent careful kind of thing.
Oh and to the original poster:
Nitrous wont hurt the bellow, not sure what will happen with the fuel side of it(As will happen with a wet kit) though. I have seen some rubber materials last for a long time when exposed to fuel and I have seen some become brittle very quickly. Maybe Ricky or Dave can chime in on that one.
Also just a guess but I think by durability I dont think he meant it wearing out from flowing nitrous, probably meant something more along the lines of how it will stand up to screwing the jet in, attaching the line and regular wear and tear. Over tightening aluminum is an easy thing to do if you arent careful kind of thing.
Oh and to the original poster:
Nitrous wont hurt the bellow, not sure what will happen with the fuel side of it(As will happen with a wet kit) though. I have seen some rubber materials last for a long time when exposed to fuel and I have seen some become brittle very quickly. Maybe Ricky or Dave can chime in on that one.
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A little silly, agreed.
SS and aluminum are both great for a nozzles, just don't see how you can say one is better than the other. thats all
SS and aluminum are both great for a nozzles, just don't see how you can say one is better than the other. thats all
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Weight of a single nozzle stainless versus aluminum?? Come on now you are just being silly now.
Also just a guess but I think by durability I dont think he meant it wearing out from flowing nitrous, probably meant something more along the lines of how it will stand up to screwing the jet in, attaching the line and regular wear and tear. Over tightening aluminum is an easy thing to do if you arent careful kind of thing.
Oh and to the original poster:
Nitrous wont hurt the bellow, not sure what will happen with the fuel side of it(As will happen with a wet kit) though. I have seen some rubber materials last for a long time when exposed to fuel and I have seen some become brittle very quickly. Maybe Ricky or Dave can chime in on that one.
Also just a guess but I think by durability I dont think he meant it wearing out from flowing nitrous, probably meant something more along the lines of how it will stand up to screwing the jet in, attaching the line and regular wear and tear. Over tightening aluminum is an easy thing to do if you arent careful kind of thing.
Oh and to the original poster:
Nitrous wont hurt the bellow, not sure what will happen with the fuel side of it(As will happen with a wet kit) though. I have seen some rubber materials last for a long time when exposed to fuel and I have seen some become brittle very quickly. Maybe Ricky or Dave can chime in on that one.
06-22-2005, 03:26 PM
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One more thing to consider between these kits. That is the fact that TNT is 98% American made by American companys/workers. This does matter/concerns most of the older guys that have watched our companys either move or procure parts from Asia. I feel that I am not biased towards any n2o company as I have no direct involvement with any, just getting the facts out. Now I am not saying that NX is not of top quality, no way, they are top tier. 
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Originally Posted by Robert56
One more thing to consider between these kits. That is the fact that TNT is 98% American made by American companys/workers. This does matter/concerns most of the older guys that have watched our companys either move or procure parts from Asia. I feel that I am not biased towards any n2o company as I have no direct involvement with any, just getting the facts out. Now am I saying that NX is not of top quality, no way, they are top tier.
Ricky