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Old 08-17-2005, 08:03 PM
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Default 408 + 200 shot, would an intank and inline supply enough fuel!!??

Hey my 408 is coming in from LME in about 2 weeks and I am debating on either a TNT f1 kit or a NX MAF kit.
But the real qeustion is would a inline walbro and a intank supply enough fuel. I have an intank here that i am installing, and I already had the line cut for an inline from the last setup. so I would do both, would that provide enough fuel??? Thanks so much.

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intank Walboro 340 gsm is about at its limit with a 408 on a 200 shot. May want to add the inline or a KB boost-a-pump.
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yeah i would run both an inline and the intank, I was thinking about doing that instead of the standalone fuel setup for now, than once i go bigger get the standalone, Both you think a walbro intanke + a walbro inline will work???

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I think that it should work ok. I would do a dual intank with the arming switch for the nitrous activating the second pump, and the other one wired into the stock wiring for regular use. I did this on my friends car and it has handled a 250 nx F1 kit to over 600 rwhp with no issues on stock lines, return and rails. It keeps the car quieter when just running around on motor.
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Go with a stand alone. That way you can run pump gas in the main tank and 104 unleaded in the stand alone. Its a little more up front but you will save money not having to put race gas in the main tank and alot of hassle. plus you can adjust fuel pressure to control A/F
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Im not a fan of inline pumps at all.I have seen cavatation problems from running these when the fuel demand is more than the system can flow.I suggest either sending your unit into Racetronix and have them put togerther one of there dual intake setups or running one of our dedicated systems.
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Hey just a heads up make sure you look at your intake setup too. If you are doing a 90mm intake (whioch you should with a 408) make sure you get the TNT Power ring (Talk to David@TNT about getting it machined for which ever TB you are using) or if you decide NX make sure you get the new 90mm NX MAF kit, it takes some modifying of the MAF housing.
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I personally have always like the stand alone systems on fuel injected cars because it gives you the ability to run a higher octane fuel and you can make smaller incremental adjustments to fine tune the nitrous system. Plus you can choose between running a high pressure tune or low pressure tune and test to see what works best on your particular car.

IMO Nitro Dave's stand alone systems are the best thing on the market. It takes just about all of the assembly out of the equation for the customer. All you have to do is wire the pump and run two hoses and it's ready to go. This kit is a great addition to any nitrous system that is running at 200+rwhp.
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get a stand alone, a 1gallon jaz will last a while on a 200 shot.
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How much for Nitro Daves System ? I tried to call, but they are closed on saturdays.
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Originally Posted by EarlsWS6
How much for Nitro Daves System ? I tried to call, but they are closed on saturdays.
I went with one from dave its a great piece. Here is the link.


http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/outlet/...section_id=122
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Originally Posted by EarlsWS6
How much for Nitro Daves System ? I tried to call, but they are closed on saturdays.
The unit COMPLETE with everything is 699.00 With that motor if you do not already have a intake check out our custom intakes with the spray bars in them.It would be perfect for your set up.
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Well i'll tell ya what, i'm running a 374 cube motor with just a racetronix intank pump and hit it with a 200 tnt first stage and a second stage dry kit with a .051 jet (which put 70 to the wheels, upping to .063 jet soon) and she put down 713 to the wheels through a turbo 400 and no fueling issues whatsoever, nice rich a/f of around 10.0 - 10.1. Maybe i'm just lucky though, so take the info for what it's worth, just my personal experiences.
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I have a 408.. ran the TNT F1 with 150 shot.. just like loudmouth, raceX intank pump only.. no fuel issues... I have it tuned for 28 degree, 11.5-11.7 without any problems. Again this just my experience also.

BUT I do run 114 oct in the regular tank... no 93 here. I do NOT run the SS on the street, and have run numerous engine only runs. -- The only problem I am having is the 408 increase the TQ so much, I have a heck of a time keeping the front end down. It wants to hit the wheely bars so hard it is un-loading the rear tires. Since it is winter time up here, we have time to make some changes for next year.

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Originally Posted by Navy David SS
I have a 408.. ran the TNT F1 with 150 shot.. just like loudmouth, raceX intank pump only.. no fuel issues... I have it tuned for 28 degree, 11.5-11.7 without any problems. Again this just my experience also.

BUT I do run 114 oct in the regular tank... no 93 here. I do NOT run the SS on the street, and have run numerous engine only runs. -- The only problem I am having is the 408 increase the TQ so much, I have a heck of a time keeping the front end down. It wants to hit the wheely bars so hard it is un-loading the rear tires. Since it is winter time up here, we have time to make some changes for next year.

David
Yeah, the racetronix is a pretty nice pump, don't really see it having any issues, i'd just like to figure out a way to keep from the lean spike in the beginning from draining the rails, maybe larger fuel rails would help that out? And I still drive mine on the street a lot, so I run the tank to between a 1/4 and empty and then add 5 gallons of 104 to the couple gallons of 93 left in the tank just to be safe. I could probably run it on 93, but i'd rather be safe than sorry!
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I have been told that Racetronix claims that it can support 600-650 hp. Ofcourse most companys rate there stuff at a safe area.
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I have personally seen 3 cars go well over 700 rwhp with just a walbro 255 lph intank pump all dry. One went as high as 750 rwhp. He had a KB bosst a pump ready incase he began to run out. He hasnt had to use it yet.
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Good infoe Al,
I appreciate it letting me know. So telling a customer 650 would be safe on a racetronix unit. Im guessing with a directport it would be a toss up if it can handle the sudden demand at one time?
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
I have personally seen 3 cars go well over 700 rwhp with just a walbro 255 lph intank pump all dry. One went as high as 750 rwhp. He had a KB bosst a pump ready incase he began to run out. He hasnt had to use it yet.
Al is talking about me. I have a Racetronix System on my C5 with a KB boost a pump just in case. I have not used the boost a pump yet, but I think I will need it soon.
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I'm wondering if the racetronix will still be enough if I up the tnt jets from 200 to 250 and the dry kit from .051 jet to .063 jet, also wondering if my svo 30's injectors will handle the .063 jet in the dry, everything's perfect right now, but that's quite a bit of extra power, kind of wanna try it, but a little nervous!




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