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08-22-2005, 10:34 AM
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!!!!!!!!!!!!new Part Coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok guys I need lots of input to make this happen.. So lets begin. The biggest problem with ANY nitrous system is going LEAN. the driver thinks he is on a pass and tourches a piston from time to time. Right if you were rich car is slugish and you lift because something must be wrong... So here it is a lean saftey cut off switch.. People that own a maximizer are real familar with this but it has never been offered to a standard kit customer. NOW it will be, you will need an FJO wide band, a control module and wire it up...
If your car goes lean past the point YOU set, it will shut the system down until you reset it, NO on off on off stuff going on... We will also be able to build this same type of system for the pressured guys the just will need some type of electrical boost controller....
Pricing tba but we are not talking alot of money here.. We want everyone to have the safest nitrous system out there....
Again inputs, questions, comments... LET ME KNOW
Ricky
If your car goes lean past the point YOU set, it will shut the system down until you reset it, NO on off on off stuff going on... We will also be able to build this same type of system for the pressured guys the just will need some type of electrical boost controller....
Pricing tba but we are not talking alot of money here.. We want everyone to have the safest nitrous system out there....
Again inputs, questions, comments... LET ME KNOW
Ricky
08-22-2005, 10:56 AM
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I think this is a great idea. But it would need to work very very quickly
as N2O does not need much time to kill an engine.
That is why those low fuel pressure switchs don't really work.
By the time they do their job it is too late.
How much are we talking?
as N2O does not need much time to kill an engine.
That is why those low fuel pressure switchs don't really work.
By the time they do their job it is too late.
How much are we talking?
08-22-2005, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think this is a great idea. But it would need to work very very quickly
as N2O does not need much time to kill an engine.
That is why those low fuel pressure switchs don't really work.
By the time they do their job it is too late.
How much are we talking?
as N2O does not need much time to kill an engine.
That is why those low fuel pressure switchs don't really work.
By the time they do their job it is too late.
How much are we talking?
The amount of money for the module has yet to be determined.. But it will not be a huge amount.. Concidering the cost of a piston swap or over haul it will be reasonable.
Another good point is since you will have the wideband you can tune the car properly.
Ricky
08-22-2005, 11:07 AM
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I think you'd get a lot wider available market if you
made one that would work off the in-car narrowbands
(like an 875mV threshold, or something; maybe even
adjustable lean voltage threshold).
made one that would work off the in-car narrowbands
(like an 875mV threshold, or something; maybe even
adjustable lean voltage threshold).
08-22-2005, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
I think you'd get a lot wider available market if you
made one that would work off the in-car narrowbands
(like an 875mV threshold, or something; maybe even
adjustable lean voltage threshold).
made one that would work off the in-car narrowbands
(like an 875mV threshold, or something; maybe even
adjustable lean voltage threshold).
Ricky
08-22-2005, 11:52 AM
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This could be good. I am STILL not convinced the FPSS is a workable device. Most people that I have polled had negative to say about it.
So bring on "lean" detector with a good price and it will be a hit!
So bring on "lean" detector with a good price and it will be a hit!
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Rick, DynoTune has had this product for some time. You are correct, adjustability is where it is at. We are about to release two new models. One for wideband use and one for narrowband use. Both adjustable and simple to install. Rick, we use to sell non adjustable versions as more of a safety type device and have saved many engines even with the narrow band factory sensors! You should do a narrowband version as well. With the adjustablity it can now be used as a tuning aid. Ill post some pictures ASAP. I think what you will make will be top notch. The more devices we can sell to help folks save thier engines the more Nitrous will be installed and used.
Cheers
Dan
Cheers
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08-22-2005, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert56
Now what about the lean spike intitially, that many have, will this shut the system down also? I also would like to know if it will work with the LM1, and if not why?
Robert
Robert
AND what is LM1?
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LM-1 is Innovate Motorsports original wideband,
also see a lot of folks starting to use the LC-1.
Probably more folks using these than the FJO,
at least that's how it looks around here.
I don't leave my wideband hooked up any more
than necessary. It's a tuning tool for me, and
clutter the rest of the time. So in the bag, it sits.
also see a lot of folks starting to use the LC-1.
Probably more folks using these than the FJO,
at least that's how it looks around here.
I don't leave my wideband hooked up any more
than necessary. It's a tuning tool for me, and
clutter the rest of the time. So in the bag, it sits.
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
LM-1 is Innovate Motorsports original wideband,
also see a lot of folks starting to use the LC-1.
Probably more folks using these than the FJO,
at least that's how it looks around here.
I don't leave my wideband hooked up any more
than necessary. It's a tuning tool for me, and
clutter the rest of the time. So in the bag, it sits.
also see a lot of folks starting to use the LC-1.
Probably more folks using these than the FJO,
at least that's how it looks around here.
I don't leave my wideband hooked up any more
than necessary. It's a tuning tool for me, and
clutter the rest of the time. So in the bag, it sits.
Ricky
08-22-2005, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DynotuneN2O
Rick, DynoTune has had this product for some time. You are correct, adjustability is where it is at. We are about to release two new models. One for wideband use and one for narrowband use. Both adjustable and simple to install. Rick, we use to sell non adjustable versions as more of a safety type device and have saved many engines even with the narrow band factory sensors! You should do a narrowband version as well. With the adjustablity it can now be used as a tuning aid. Ill post some pictures ASAP. I think what you will make will be top notch. The more devices we can sell to help folks save thier engines the more Nitrous will be installed and used.
Cheers
Dan
Cheers
Dan
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08-22-2005, 04:49 PM
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I just found out the FJO wide band samples 250 times a second.. That is so fast if you had a lean cylinder and the sensor is in the right place you could see the lean pulse through the exhaust...
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Ricky , I have a question ? Is there some sort of way that this could be done with something like a fuse that will blow that will shut down the car instead of having to have the FJO wide band and module to reset it everytime that happens ?
08-22-2005, 08:20 PM
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Ricky:
Keep us posted on how it is coming. I almost pulled the trigger on a Dyno Jet wide band today because it has the capability to shut the system down if it gets to a pre-set lean condition. Their unit is under $500.00
Let us know how the new device will compare to Dyno Jets sampling rate and the ability to react & shut the system down.
I can wait for a little while to see what you guys come up with.
Keep us posted on how it is coming. I almost pulled the trigger on a Dyno Jet wide band today because it has the capability to shut the system down if it gets to a pre-set lean condition. Their unit is under $500.00
Let us know how the new device will compare to Dyno Jets sampling rate and the ability to react & shut the system down.
I can wait for a little while to see what you guys come up with.
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Making the unit work with all wideband controllers should be easy for you Rick.
Where you will have a PC to program your controller couldnt you let the folks setup the o2 sensor output on the screen? Im not sure why it would be FJO secific?
The Dynotune a/f switch will work with the LC-1 LM-1 or factory narrowband sensor.
We all know that the factory sensors are not super accurate in the rich region but they do work well in the leaner region....
Dan
Where you will have a PC to program your controller couldnt you let the folks setup the o2 sensor output on the screen? Im not sure why it would be FJO secific?
The Dynotune a/f switch will work with the LC-1 LM-1 or factory narrowband sensor.
We all know that the factory sensors are not super accurate in the rich region but they do work well in the leaner region....
Dan