How do you mold a plyurethane body kit on?
03-14-2009, 03:18 PM
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How do you mold a plyurethane body kit on? I can mold fibergalss parts and everything like that, but polyurethane is so flexible. Im putting the wings west w type trans am kit on my car, and i want to mold it to have no seperation lines. How would i go about doing that with polyurethane? Or whatever the stock bumper and wings west kit is made out of?
03-14-2009, 11:32 PM
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it will crack over time unless its just a show car i wouldnt advise it
if it were something small you might could get away with it but the only small part of the kit he has is the rear pars
but if he uses a plastic repair it would be like it was part of the stock plastic bumper and it will be bonded much stronger and will have the ability to flex but it wont crack like fiberglass would
if it were something small you might could get away with it but the only small part of the kit he has is the rear pars
but if he uses a plastic repair it would be like it was part of the stock plastic bumper and it will be bonded much stronger and will have the ability to flex but it wont crack like fiberglass would
03-15-2009, 02:18 AM
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3m makes this i believe its #8115. Its a panel adhesive, but i have seen a friend of mine mold poly kits with it with no problems. Check into it they make a couple of different types some more flexible than others.
Its a two mix epoxy, and requires a special gun with a mix tip to do it.
Its a two mix epoxy, and requires a special gun with a mix tip to do it.
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03-15-2009, 04:26 AM
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3m makes this i believe its #8115. Its a panel adhesive, but i have seen a friend of mine mold poly kits with it with no problems. Check into it they make a couple of different types some more flexible than others.
Its a two mix epoxy, and requires a special gun with a mix tip to do it.
Its a two mix epoxy, and requires a special gun with a mix tip to do it.
So, i found some videos on youtube, looks like most people skip the tape in favor of Gorilla Snot-type adhesive and either pop rivets or slef tapping screws.
After that, just kitty hair and plastic body filler. I hope thats enough, ill keep researching as much as possible but right now it looks like thats the way im going!
03-15-2009, 10:27 AM
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step by step its pretty easy
step1: throw everything you have bought to do this in the trash
step2: throw the body kit in the trash
step3: sit back and be glad you didn't ruin your car
step1: throw everything you have bought to do this in the trash
step2: throw the body kit in the trash
step3: sit back and be glad you didn't ruin your car
03-16-2009, 12:14 AM
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Pheonix was right on with his response. Use the 3M 8115.
I personally have used this stuff and it is awesome. When he was referring to a special gun, it is more like a caulking gun and not an air gun. No compressor needed. You will need to buy a few cartridges depending on how much you are bonding.
There is another product that I would personally recommend. It is called Speedgrip. You can get it at some auto retailers and you can also buy it off of eBay. It works the same way that 8115 does. You use the special gun and it automatically mixes the two parts for you. I prefer the speed grip because i do a lot of my work myself and I can get the 5 minute setup stuff and be able to apply it and hold it for 5 minutes by myself.
Check it out eBay to buy and here:
http://www.nortonautomotive.com/Medi...ves%207663.pdf
I personally have used this stuff and it is awesome. When he was referring to a special gun, it is more like a caulking gun and not an air gun. No compressor needed. You will need to buy a few cartridges depending on how much you are bonding.
There is another product that I would personally recommend. It is called Speedgrip. You can get it at some auto retailers and you can also buy it off of eBay. It works the same way that 8115 does. You use the special gun and it automatically mixes the two parts for you. I prefer the speed grip because i do a lot of my work myself and I can get the 5 minute setup stuff and be able to apply it and hold it for 5 minutes by myself.
Check it out eBay to buy and here:
http://www.nortonautomotive.com/Medi...ves%207663.pdf
03-16-2009, 06:02 AM
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Pheonix was right on with his response. Use the 3M 8115.
I personally have used this stuff and it is awesome. When he was referring to a special gun, it is more like a caulking gun and not an air gun. No compressor needed. You will need to buy a few cartridges depending on how much you are bonding.
There is another product that I would personally recommend. It is called Speedgrip. You can get it at some auto retailers and you can also buy it off of eBay. It works the same way that 8115 does. You use the special gun and it automatically mixes the two parts for you. I prefer the speed grip because i do a lot of my work myself and I can get the 5 minute setup stuff and be able to apply it and hold it for 5 minutes by myself.
Check it out eBay to buy and here:
http://www.nortonautomotive.com/Medi...ves%207663.pdf
I personally have used this stuff and it is awesome. When he was referring to a special gun, it is more like a caulking gun and not an air gun. No compressor needed. You will need to buy a few cartridges depending on how much you are bonding.
There is another product that I would personally recommend. It is called Speedgrip. You can get it at some auto retailers and you can also buy it off of eBay. It works the same way that 8115 does. You use the special gun and it automatically mixes the two parts for you. I prefer the speed grip because i do a lot of my work myself and I can get the 5 minute setup stuff and be able to apply it and hold it for 5 minutes by myself.
Check it out eBay to buy and here:
http://www.nortonautomotive.com/Medi...ves%207663.pdf
03-16-2009, 01:07 PM
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Oh for sure, im a post ***** as long as i have something significant to show! I already have the side skrts on, took 5 minutes duh lol but i havnt molded anything yet. Waiting for my second tax return, from California.
03-16-2009, 05:43 PM
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This is great info but it raises a few more Q's. This is adhesive right? Meaning its purpose is to hold these parts onto the car? So do you just spread it in between and then apply kitty hair/bondo on top? Or do you spread it in between the panels, and then on top and just sand it down like you would kitty hair? If i were to use this, could you explain the process to me?
03-17-2009, 07:22 PM
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You use the adhesive just like a caulk gun. Put a bed on the panel that you are attaching and clamp/hold it on for the time needed. ( Speedgrip makes different setup times.) Then you will need to apply fiberglass, bondo, kitty hair or whatever you want to smooth the transition between the two panels. Then sand it down.
03-17-2009, 11:37 PM
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certain bumpers on these cars like the fenders are polyurathene plastic, wings west kits are whats called "fiberflex" its plastic and fiberglass mixed or some other material made into there kits
BONDO/FIBERGLASS DOES NOT AND WILL NOT STICK TO PLASTIC!!!!!!!!! AND WILL NOT LAST!!!!
fusor makes a product that bonds different plastic together, i just forget the product number, so being its 2 different materials, i would bond the kit with panle bond, yes panle bond and yes it sticks to plastic, then i would moldthe kit using the fusor product
ya cant really plastic weld due to it is 2 different material nothing will stick, so i would suggest panle bond first, then the other way, but your asking to do something when you have no compressor, and knowledge of what your about to do, no offense dude but this kind of custom work needs allot of experience
preping the pieces is a must for anything to stick, it doesnt stick by asking a question on a online forum, sure asking is fine but what if your screw it up, nothing works, you have spent all this money on material, then you bring the car to me example, now its going to cost you ALLOT! more becasue it was done wrong, and I have to redo everything you did, see my point??
experience experience is key to everything
BONDO/FIBERGLASS DOES NOT AND WILL NOT STICK TO PLASTIC!!!!!!!!! AND WILL NOT LAST!!!!
fusor makes a product that bonds different plastic together, i just forget the product number, so being its 2 different materials, i would bond the kit with panle bond, yes panle bond and yes it sticks to plastic, then i would moldthe kit using the fusor product
ya cant really plastic weld due to it is 2 different material nothing will stick, so i would suggest panle bond first, then the other way, but your asking to do something when you have no compressor, and knowledge of what your about to do, no offense dude but this kind of custom work needs allot of experience
preping the pieces is a must for anything to stick, it doesnt stick by asking a question on a online forum, sure asking is fine but what if your screw it up, nothing works, you have spent all this money on material, then you bring the car to me example, now its going to cost you ALLOT! more becasue it was done wrong, and I have to redo everything you did, see my point??
experience experience is key to everything
03-17-2009, 11:44 PM
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certain bumpers on these cars like the fenders are polyurathene plastic, wings west kits are whats called "fiberflex" its plastic and fiberglass mixed or some other material made into there kits
BONDO/FIBERGLASS DOES NOT AND WILL NOT STICK TO PLASTIC!!!!!!!!! AND WILL NOT LAST!!!!
fusor makes a product that bonds different plastic together, i just forget the product number, so being its 2 different materials, i would bond the kit with panle bond, yes panle bond and yes it sticks to plastic, then i would moldthe kit using the fusor product
ya cant really plastic weld due to it is 2 different material nothing will stick, so i would suggest panle bond first, then the other way, but your asking to do something when you have no compressor, and knowledge of what your about to do, no offense dude but this kind of custom work needs allot of experience
preping the pieces is a must for anything to stick, it doesnt stick by asking a question on a online forum, sure asking is fine but what if your screw it up, nothing works, you have spent all this money on material, then you bring the car to me example, now its going to cost you ALLOT! more becasue it was done wrong, and I have to redo everything you did, see my point??
experience experience is key to everything
BONDO/FIBERGLASS DOES NOT AND WILL NOT STICK TO PLASTIC!!!!!!!!! AND WILL NOT LAST!!!!
fusor makes a product that bonds different plastic together, i just forget the product number, so being its 2 different materials, i would bond the kit with panle bond, yes panle bond and yes it sticks to plastic, then i would moldthe kit using the fusor product
ya cant really plastic weld due to it is 2 different material nothing will stick, so i would suggest panle bond first, then the other way, but your asking to do something when you have no compressor, and knowledge of what your about to do, no offense dude but this kind of custom work needs allot of experience
preping the pieces is a must for anything to stick, it doesnt stick by asking a question on a online forum, sure asking is fine but what if your screw it up, nothing works, you have spent all this money on material, then you bring the car to me example, now its going to cost you ALLOT! more becasue it was done wrong, and I have to redo everything you did, see my point??
experience experience is key to everything
If you have so much superior knowlege why can't you spell it? Wings West kits are also 100% Urethane i dont know where you hear they're Fiberflex. I have plenty of experience, just becuase i dont own a compressor doesnt mean i havnt used one. I have done plenty of this type of stuff. The only difference, is i havn't done all plastic before, hence the questioning about products. Worse comes to worse, i have an extra front and rear fascia and actually two other firebirds. So im not at a huge risk for anything. Im sure i can relate my experience and i have some old messed up fascias and a camaro wings west kit that is damaged that im going to practice on first. If i cant get it done, ill take it to a professional. But i've thought about it a lot, and i dont see why i couldn't do it.
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There are plenty of flex fiber or as you put it "Fiberflex" kits out there but generally, theyre ebay kits, and not Wings Wests. So before you go giving such harsh advice, i'd research it since you're obviously talking partially out of your ***
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