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does speed density need O2 sensors?

Old 11-12-2008, 09:05 PM
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HP tuners 2 bar speed density setup, do I need O2 sensors up front or not?
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Cool, thanks...no need to put any in then.
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Apples and oranges. Speed Density or, "MAP" is a measurement of incoming airflow.

Your O2 sensors are measuring outgoing unburnt hydrocarbons in a closed loop feeback system. Not running O2 sensors is often referred to as Open loop.

You can run Open or Closed Loop Speed Density or MAF operation- your choice.
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so you just need a wideband to tune it then you can ditch them?
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Originally Posted by Doc
Apples and oranges. Speed Density or, "MAP" is a measurement of incoming airflow.

Your O2 sensors are measuring outgoing unburnt hydrocarbons in a closed loop feeback system. Not running O2 sensors is often referred to as Open loop.

You can run Open or Closed Loop Speed Density or MAF operation- your choice.
Which would you recommend running, open or closed loop speed density?
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As stated Speed Density & running o2 sensors has nothing to do with one another.

You can read about the different modes on our forum here http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8994

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Originally Posted by tblu92
NO-------SD does not use the 02 sensors--
OMG, and you claim to be a "pro tuner". You should be banned for stupidity. Your lack of knowledge never ceases to amaze me. This is a new level.
The value of your advice-->
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Originally Posted by samh_08
Which would you recommend running, open or closed loop speed density?
For the most part, I always prefer to run CL, as much as possible. It gives the best all around performance. It can and will adjust to varying temps and conditions.
OL needs to be much more precise, and is usually more difficult to get right in varying conditions. Esp in an area like where I live that has hot summers and cold winters.


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