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Old 11-15-2003, 02:02 AM
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After installing my headers, and lowering my IFR to get my LTFT's negative. I am pretty sure I am running rich on PE. So I take it too the track and watch my KR.

I lowered my PE vs RPM 2% at a time to around 14 % and still no KR. My PE table is .87xx is that too low??
Old 11-15-2003, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed LS1 Vert
After installing my headers, and lowering my IFR to get my LTFT's negative. I am pretty sure I am running rich on PE. So I take it too the track and watch my KR.

I lowered my PE vs RPM 2% at a time to around 14 % and still no KR. My PE table is .87xx is that too low??
It's hard to say without a wideband. But, you shouldn't have needed to pull the IFR down too much- due to headers only. Strictly from the PE table that's a 16.9 AFR. Of course it would actually be lower due to the IFR adjustment.
Seems kind of dangerous to me to lean it out based on recorded knock.....but I'm No Guru. FWIW.
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Old 11-22-2003, 06:35 PM
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You were right, I put the PE back where it was and on the dyno. My A/F was 14.1
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Originally Posted by Ed LS1 Vert
You were right, I put the PE back where it was and on the dyno. My A/F was 14.1
Thanks for the update. At what RPMs was it 14.1???
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The whole run. 4000-6500

Any idea how much to scale down the PE Table for 1 point?

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Originally Posted by Ed LS1 Vert
The whole run. 4000-6500

Any idea how much to scale down the PE Table for 1 point?
14.1/13.1 = 1.076. So, multiply your current PE values by 108%. Should put you around 13.1 AFR.
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Well I tried 109% and it only dropped to 13.8

Does it take a while for it to learn?
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PE is WOT, Open Loop. No learning .

Did you rescale your IFR? Did you multiply by 108 % the PE values that resulted in the 14.1 AFR??

.08 is a reasonable value for dropping the AFR, by about one point, in the 15:1 to 12:1 range. It will raise or drop it by .9 - 1.2 points.

-> 0.08 = 8 %.

If you want to lower the AFR multiply the denominator by 108%. For example -> 14.7/1.2050 <-PE RPM value = 12.20 too low so we want to increase. Remember PE value is the Denominator.

1.00-.08= .92 -> *100=92%

1.2050 * .92 = 1.109 <- new PE value

14.7/1.109 = 13.26,.... not perfect- but gets us in the ballpark.


Does this help????

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Ok, no learning needed.

Yes, I did scale down my IFR and multiplied the PE table by 108% to get to 13.8

But doesn't changing the IFR screw up the calculations?

Did turning off COT or installing the headers cause the leaness?

Thanks.




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