Is it my tune? NA vs. NA+6lbs boost ......same power? Videos inside!
07-12-2009, 11:06 PM
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Is it my tune? NA vs. NA+6lbs boost ......same power? Videos inside! Ok guys i was watching videos of my NA setup and comparing them to see what i gained from the turbo and there is no difference if not worse!!!
How is this possible!
Here are the videos:
NA setup,
http://s721.photobucket.com/albums/w...ent=taruns.flv
NA setup + 6psi,
http://s721.photobucket.com/albums/w...=VIDEO0016.flv
I attached my tune also....
Maybee its my stall and gears?
Im so
right now! That was alot of work and $$$ for no gain!!!
How is this possible!
Here are the videos:
NA setup,
http://s721.photobucket.com/albums/w...ent=taruns.flv
NA setup + 6psi,
http://s721.photobucket.com/albums/w...=VIDEO0016.flv
I attached my tune also....
Maybee its my stall and gears?
Im so
right now! That was alot of work and $$$ for no gain!!! 
07-12-2009, 11:12 PM
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yes i know my ve table needs smoothed right.... well looks like **** but the AFR is reading right not sure why its so peaky... as long as my AFR is right i dont see why it should be a problem.
I do only have like 6* timing on the tune when i did the run.... i am gonna start the spark tables now... gonna shoot for 10-12*..... could running that low of timing slow it down that much?
If i had a video of the car NA when it was tuned it would have stompped the current setup!
just a little upset and dissapointed guys.
I do only have like 6* timing on the tune when i did the run.... i am gonna start the spark tables now... gonna shoot for 10-12*..... could running that low of timing slow it down that much?
If i had a video of the car NA when it was tuned it would have stompped the current setup!
just a little upset and dissapointed guys.
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07-13-2009, 03:39 PM
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when I get off work ill bump the timming up and see what it does.... then ill post a log new video.
what afr would you suggest frost? 11.7-11.8?
what afr would you suggest frost? 11.7-11.8?
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07-13-2009, 09:51 PM
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Well I made a run tonight after i upped the timming and AFR.... I attached the log and tune... I got some KR for some reason durring the run?! I dont understand why im getting kr the AFR is off but safe.... im still not way up in timming.
WHAT IS CAUSING THE KR?
The car does pull alot better though. THE KR SCARES THE **** OUT OF ME THOUGH!!
http://s721.photobucket.com/albums/w...t=100_0282.flv
DA was 6691ft tonight what do you think I am running in the quater right now? Seems like a 12 sec car..... such a dissapointment, lol.
alothough it did make it to 110 in 4 seconds less then it did when it was at 6* timming!!!
Thanks for looking/hepling guys!
Blaine
WHAT IS CAUSING THE KR?
The car does pull alot better though. THE KR SCARES THE **** OUT OF ME THOUGH!!
http://s721.photobucket.com/albums/w...t=100_0282.flv
DA was 6691ft tonight what do you think I am running in the quater right now? Seems like a 12 sec car..... such a dissapointment, lol.
alothough it did make it to 110 in 4 seconds less then it did when it was at 6* timming!!!
Thanks for looking/hepling guys!
Blaine
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07-13-2009, 09:54 PM
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Got another question guys... this might be a stupid question to some of you but obviously i dont know if im asking.
Can to LITTLE timming cause KR the same as to MUCH timming?
I would get the occasional KR with 6* just like i am in the log above... in just about the same areas.... but its only on occasion (not every time).
To be honest i dont even know how my motor hasn't blown from how many times ive gotten KR!
Tempted to just jump it to 18* timming and see how the KR is.... lol
Can to LITTLE timming cause KR the same as to MUCH timming?
I would get the occasional KR with 6* just like i am in the log above... in just about the same areas.... but its only on occasion (not every time).
To be honest i dont even know how my motor hasn't blown from how many times ive gotten KR!
Tempted to just jump it to 18* timming and see how the KR is.... lol
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07-13-2009, 11:19 PM
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It's a 98; who knows if it's real?
You have a few options to figure it out... you can run the car down a little low and put some good gas in and see if it vanishes of course. You can also start with a new set of plugs, make a pull like you did (crazy BTW) and then immediately shut down, pull the plugs and have a first-hand look. Doing both isn't a bad idea either if you are suspect.
You have a few options to figure it out... you can run the car down a little low and put some good gas in and see if it vanishes of course. You can also start with a new set of plugs, make a pull like you did (crazy BTW) and then immediately shut down, pull the plugs and have a first-hand look. Doing both isn't a bad idea either if you are suspect.
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It's a 98; who knows if it's real?
You have a few options to figure it out... you can run the car down a little low and put some good gas in and see if it vanishes of course. You can also start with a new set of plugs, make a pull like you did (crazy BTW) and then immediately shut down, pull the plugs and have a first-hand look. Doing both isn't a bad idea either if you are suspect.
You have a few options to figure it out... you can run the car down a little low and put some good gas in and see if it vanishes of course. You can also start with a new set of plugs, make a pull like you did (crazy BTW) and then immediately shut down, pull the plugs and have a first-hand look. Doing both isn't a bad idea either if you are suspect.
The best i can buy around here is 91..... can i use octane booster? I was reading on a post it might not be good for the motor.?.
07-14-2009, 12:30 AM
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lol ok....
this KR problem has been giving me issues since i got HPtuners and started logging/tunning right after i installed my cam.
I just went and put 20* timming in and flashed it and went for a drive lol.... Figured I would tell if it was KR (if my motor blew up) I just getting sick and tired of it.
the KR never stops I can reduce by amount of KR then its there again then i reduce and its there again! The KR is not always in the same spot either......
Here are the logs i did with 20* pulling timming in the cells after every few runs..... didn't get better or worse and not always in the same places...
They are numbered in order of the runs.
How am i supposed to know where the hell to pull timming when its fine in a cell on one run then on the next its got KR? LOL
My motor should be blown up by now if all that KR is real! I dont have money to buy/built a new motor either, im a broke-a** right now .... just fed up with it
Or maybee im just lucky!
Gonna see if i can find some GOOD GAS and see what happens i guess. What can it hurt.
Thanks for all the input, advice, and help!
It can really only endup two ways.... the motor will live a short life OR the motor will live a shorter life. LOL
Blaine
07-14-2009, 08:03 AM
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Someimes you just can't go by the KR sensors,this is when a dyno comes in very handy.Drivetrain noise will cause KR,a harmonic will cause KR,then to top it off 98's are known to give false KR. If it was my personal car I would shut off/unplug the KR sensors but only do that if your confident on your tuning.
07-14-2009, 09:41 AM
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i had to reduce the sensitivity of my knock sensors on my 98. I still get like .1 degree just on a wot upshift, for the split second the afr leans abit. the rest of the time in gear on a wot pull i have zero. When the sensitivity was stock i would get like 6 or 8 degrees of kr. (well the "professional ha ha" tune was crap and i had over 30* of timing in the upper end.)
07-14-2009, 09:51 AM
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A good way to tell if it's false KR, is if the KR number doesn't change when you change commanded timing...if it's say pulling 3 degrees, and you add 2 degrees to the spark table...if it still pulls 3 (and the limit it's allowed to pull is higher) then it's most likely false...if it pulls 5 or 6 after you make your changes...or more...then it's real.
Honestly at 6 psi, I don't think you need to have 11.8 AFR either...I'm not sure what you're shooting for now, but I'd say 12.2ish should suffice...if pulling fuel makes the KR go up...it's not false KR...if adding fuel makes it go away...same thing.
Honestly at 6 psi, I don't think you need to have 11.8 AFR either...I'm not sure what you're shooting for now, but I'd say 12.2ish should suffice...if pulling fuel makes the KR go up...it's not false KR...if adding fuel makes it go away...same thing.