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Old 06-21-2016, 12:38 PM
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Here is a hint with those injectors, start with injector offset data from a 01-02 f-body as it's pretty close at least in the normal voltage running areas and much closer than the stock truck injector offsets.
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Originally Posted by 1970camaroRS
Can't help you much on the non return, but using the stock truck injector info and changing only the IFR worked well. But I was unhappy enough with part throttle tuning that I bought some different injectors with good known data when i switched to the FAST intake. My marine injectors are sitting in a box and are for sale if anyone wants them.
The injectors still for sale? How much you asking?
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Originally Posted by MannyMaro
The injectors still for sale? How much you asking?
Actually just sold them on Monday.
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Originally Posted by NicD
Here is a hint with those injectors, start with injector offset data from a 01-02 f-body as it's pretty close at least in the normal voltage running areas and much closer than the stock truck injector offsets.
What about the sloped IFR data? Any suggestions on where to start?
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Hart_Rod... to convert the 44 to the IFR table, use these values...

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50.81	51.12	51.44	51.75	52.06	52.37	52.68	52.98	53.29	53.59	53.89	54.19	54.49	54.78	55.08	55.37	55.66
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
Hart_Rod... to convert the 44 to the IFR table, use these values...

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50.81	51.12	51.44	51.75	52.06	52.37	52.68	52.98	53.29	53.59	53.89	54.19	54.49	54.78	55.08	55.37	55.66
Thanks Jake. What rail pressure did you use to convert them? I've got 50psi at my fuel rail.
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If 50, use these:

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47.17	47.51	47.85	48.19	48.52	48.85	49.18	49.51	49.84	50.16	50.48	50.80	51.11	51.43	51.74	52.05	52.36
Although, I don't know if they are 42 or 44? Seems like it's dependent on the o-ring. I used 44.

The IFR is less important. Just set to something like what I have and tune VE apparently with those injectors.

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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
If 50, use these:

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47.17	47.51	47.85	48.19	48.52	48.85	49.18	49.51	49.84	50.16	50.48	50.80	51.11	51.43	51.74	52.05	52.36
Although, I don't know if they are 42 or 44? Seems like it's dependent on the o-ring. I used 44.

The IFR is less important. Just set to something like what I have and tune VE apparently with those injectors.
I've been told IFR is the most important, ! What numbers did you start with? Just curious on how you scaled them.
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You can set IFR to whatever you want. You just have to scale the VE table back to them.

I started with 44 at 3-bar (43.5psi) and converted to 50psi.

I use the Excel RedHardSupra has that converts. There's online calculators too.
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Originally Posted by Hart_Rod
I've been told IFR is the most important, ! What numbers did you start with? Just curious on how you scaled them.
Just multiple the entire factory IFR table to get it to match what the new injectors flow at 0 KPA vacuum. And yes, the IFR is very important to have accurate since modifying the VE/MAF throws off your previous airflow and load values. Since they flow 42 lb/hr at 58 psi it's easy to multiply the IFR table correctly since there are no fuel pressure conversions to worry about. Some people list them at 44 but they have been tested to flow around 42.
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Originally Posted by NicD
Just multiple the entire factory IFR table to get it to match what the new injectors flow at 0 KPA vacuum. And yes, the IFR is very important to have accurate since modifying the VE/MAF throws off your previous airflow and load values. Since they flow 42 lb/hr at 58 psi it's easy to multiply the IFR table correctly since there are no fuel pressure conversions to worry about. Some people list them at 44 but they have been tested to flow around 42.
That's the problem, I don't know what the factory IFR table is. And there seems to be some discrepancy on whether the flow rate is based on 3 bar or 4 bar. This is the closest thing I've found:

VAC (kPa) 0 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80
Injector Flow (g/sec) 5.317110911 5.350248235 5.38318158 5.415914665 5.448451101 5.480794389 5.512947929 5.544915023 5.576698876 5.608302603 5.639729233 5.670981711 5.702062899 5.732975583 5.763722476 5.794306215 5.824729372
Injector Flow (lb/hr) 42.2 42.46299904 42.72437917 42.98416991 43.24239992 43.49909699 43.75428809 44.00799943 44.26025646 44.5110839 44.76050578 45.00854547 45.2552257 45.50056857 45.74459562 45.98732778 46.22878544
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I just ran across an Amazon listing for these injectors. It is the first time I have ever seen any seller post voltage offsets for them. The posted latency offsets are significantly higher than the values in any stock truck tunes I have seen. I will try them and report results, as I have been having some recent issues with idle tuning after a build change.
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Originally Posted by Hart_Rod
That's the problem,
ever figure it out?



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