Opinions on my test VE table..inside
06-15-2004, 11:01 PM
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Opinions on my test VE table..inside I have been working for hours assembling a VE table based on data that I logged through HPTuners today. There are some manifold pressures that I did not get...I would have to dog the vehicle for along time to get them all, so the parts that didn't pop up (that I doubt pop up frequently at all) have been scaled based on my stock VE table. Can somebody take a look at these and give me some opinions before I just dump it in my cars computer?
File is in Excel.
File is in Excel.
06-16-2004, 04:37 AM
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Hmm.. your VE table seems ok around the very high RPM/Loads area but all else seems extremely low.
Here is my VE table you can use for comparison. I am a NA stock internals car with no MAF.
Plz note, this table could damage your vehicle. Use at your own risk. I accept no responsibility for anything you do with this table.
Here is my VE table you can use for comparison. I am a NA stock internals car with no MAF.
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43 44 45 46 46 48 49 50 50 51 52 53 55 56 57 57 58 59 60 60 44 47 49 51 51 52 54 55 56 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 64 65 65 66 46 48 52 55 57 59 60 61 63 64 64 65 66 66 67 68 69 70 70 71 46 49 51 55 58 61 62 63 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 71 72 73 74 75 46 51 54 57 60 62 63 65 67 68 69 70 71 73 73 74 75 76 77 78 47 53 57 58 62 63 64 65 67 69 70 72 74 76 77 78 78 79 80 81 48 54 59 62 65 66 67 68 70 72 73 75 77 78 79 80 81 81 82 84 49 55 62 64 67 70 71 72 74 75 76 77 78 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 50 56 63 68 70 71 72 73 75 76 77 79 80 81 82 84 85 86 87 87 51 58 65 69 71 73 75 76 76 78 79 80 81 82 84 85 86 87 88 89 52 59 66 71 74 75 77 78 79 79 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 53 61 67 72 75 76 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 89 54 61 69 73 76 77 79 80 81 82 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 90 55 63 71 74 77 78 80 81 82 83 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 90 90 56 63 72 75 78 79 81 82 83 84 84 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 90 90 57 65 73 76 79 80 81 83 84 85 85 85 86 87 88 89 90 90 90 90 58 66 74 76 79 81 83 84 85 86 86 86 87 87 88 89 90 90 90 90 59 66 75 77 80 82 84 85 86 87 87 87 88 88 89 90 90 90 90 90 60 67 76 78 81 82 84 86 87 88 88 88 89 89 90 90 90 90 90 90
06-16-2004, 07:14 AM
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I would give you my opinion but the HP Tuner values are much different than the values in LS1Edit. Where you have 90 I have 2247. Is there a conversion formula? MAybe Edit value / 25?
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06-16-2004, 06:59 PM
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Thats a peculiar stock VE table...of course it looks far more normal than my stock one. What did you smooth out? Anything?
I don't know about that 2247 where my 90 is in the VE table...my HPTuners pulls a VE calculation, in percent, directly from the car. I thought it was rather unusual myself. That is what I calculated my VE table from, based on calculated VE, rpm, and MAP.
Anybody else have any input?
I don't know about that 2247 where my 90 is in the VE table...my HPTuners pulls a VE calculation, in percent, directly from the car. I thought it was rather unusual myself. That is what I calculated my VE table from, based on calculated VE, rpm, and MAP.
Anybody else have any input?
06-16-2004, 07:48 PM
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don't use the VE PID to calculate your VE table. I used the LT's for much of mine but ideally you need a WB02 and a load dyno (or lots of street time).
My WOT VE is a little high I believe as I have to pull the PE vs RPM down quite a bit to achieve air/fuel ratio that I am satisfied with. My VE with a 1 PE vs RPM multiplier would run me very rich.
My WOT VE is a little high I believe as I have to pull the PE vs RPM down quite a bit to achieve air/fuel ratio that I am satisfied with. My VE with a 1 PE vs RPM multiplier would run me very rich.
06-16-2004, 08:16 PM
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If you wade through the sticky VE thread at the
top of this forum, you will come away with a
hurting head but maybe some better idea about
how Edit uses their number (it is some kind of
absolute air number, while HPTuners is a
percentage of ideal); if you knew the displacement
based ideal absolute number, that times HPTuners
percent should be close to that Edit cell value.
top of this forum, you will come away with a
hurting head but maybe some better idea about
how Edit uses their number (it is some kind of
absolute air number, while HPTuners is a
percentage of ideal); if you knew the displacement
based ideal absolute number, that times HPTuners
percent should be close to that Edit cell value.
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06-17-2004, 07:11 AM
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The values in the PCM are the same. The difference is how LS1Edit or HP Tuner chooses to display them.
What does a stock Main VE Table look like when you pull it with HP Tuner?
If you do not mind could you post or email me a copy of it from your 98 Z28?
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Thanks
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What does a stock Main VE Table look like when you pull it with HP Tuner?
If you do not mind could you post or email me a copy of it from your 98 Z28?
Jnorris404@aol.com
Thanks
John
06-19-2004, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
Just a note, an EGR car I would expect to have
some peculiar VE excursions as EGR come in &
goes away; EGR basically being a bypass of the
"explicit" inlet port.
some peculiar VE excursions as EGR come in &
goes away; EGR basically being a bypass of the
"explicit" inlet port.
