SLOW SEDAN

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Metal on metal clacking is no good! Usually when I nail the lifter preload the engine is pretty quiet, a trunion upgrade usually takes a little noise away as well. Mine was so bad I could hear the sewing machine noise over the exhaust.

joecar

In my state (CA), the BBB inclues the BAR which handles complaint regarding automotive repair...

but be careful, in CA the BAR also administers smog testing, and the BAR also enforces smog compliance... if they suspect your car is cheating smog (engine mods, tuning, non-CARB EO bolt ons), they will make your life miserable...

so I don't know how it works in your state, but do be careful.

BooneSS13

Thanks for the heads up! It's hard to do anything with these negligent companies when they do something wrong now days. If you take it to court you end up losing on the tail end because of time and lawyer costs. I wish the BBB did a better job with protecting the average Joe customer especially in the auto enthusiast world.

BooneSS13

Update: Livernois Motorsports is refusing to remove torque management from my tune. I'm sure we all know how simple that is to do. Instead they want me to travel to Michigan and pay to put it on the dyno to have it removed. Check out the emails. I called and spoke to Anthony Mahaney (the one responsible for dealing with the remote tuning) and he told me "it's turned down as much as we normally turn it down for drag racing and any further would require dyno time". Dyno time to remove torque management???

BTW just a reminder of what they claim on their website for remote tunes. "we include free tune updates for all supported performance upgrades along with true customization of your tune allowing us to make the vehicle exactly what you want it to be".


Anyway enough beating a dead horse. I'm doing what I should've done a long time ago and going to SpeedInc in Chicago.

ddnspider

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Thats messed up and a crock. They just want you to go away.

Edit...I thought there was a button sequence to turn off traction control.

BooneSS13

Yeah they are definitely trying to run me off. Some kind of customer service! Hopefully after they do enough people wrong they come to their senses when they lose more money.

There is but at least on the 5th gens (not sure about the 4th gens) there's torque management that is completely separate from the traction control. it can only be adjusted by a tuner. It basically governs the motor. When you floor the gas pedal, the TM is turning your throttle plate back to limit and control engine power Which is supposed to be safer for the car, driveline and the driver so the car is less likely to get away from you or cause damage to the driveline. In drag racing this can really hurt your 60ft times because it causes you to bog off the line if you launch hard.

I posted an HPtuners snapshot of it someone posted on the Camaro5 forum

big hammer

You got fired as a customer

BooneSS13

lol ik. If lawyers fees weren't so expensive and I would get money back out out the deal I'd take this to court. But oh well, thought it was worth a try since I know some new employees work there. A new tuner is WAY overdue.

big hammer

Sometimes a customers dollars aren't worth the trouble they cause. So they either fire you as a customer or hit you hard with the ******* tax

codyvette

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Thanks for the insite Livernoise. I won't ever go down that road.

Russ K

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I'm not defending Livernois Motorsports. But on a manual trans 5th gen Camaro, there is no torque management when you turn off the traction control & stability control. The Maximum Torque Rpm vs Gear is at 6042 ft lbs stock, and the Torque Limit vs RPM > Max Torque for 1st through 6th has no effect.

That being said, I had to retune a customer's Livernois Motorsport H/C package on a 2006 GTO. It had a P0106 map code that they said was not tune related and very poor drive ability. The customer tried new map sensors, checked for vacuum leaks etc.

The cause of the P0106 was because of the lower vacuum from the cam, that they didn't disable the P0106 map test (very common when tuning for an aftermarket cam). The WOT AFR was as lean as 16.5! The spark tables, idle speed & High Maf table were all at stock values.

The only things that were changed was the skip shift was disabled, disabled cat tests, lowered the fan temp, and raised the speed limiter.

Russ Kemp

BooneSS13

The picture I posted was someone else's vehicle and that was after all the values were adjusted. On the other hand that is good to know about how the tune had to be adjusted, 16.5:1 is unacceptable! I'm assuming that's why they lock their tunes, to hide craziness like that.

The original thread was showing how to disable TM on a manual transmission car I believe. Here's the link to the original thread

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203433

sbcgenII

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This thread was started in 6/2016. If they are so terrible why are you still trying to use them a year later.

LilJayV10

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quoted for truth.

BooneSS13

Because I'm just now finishing my build. Been saving $$$ to have it retuned in the meantime. Doesn't matter if this started 10 years ago, I paid for something and am not getting what I paid for.

BooneSS13

Please explain exactly how I'M the one causing the trouble...

LilJayV10

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I didn't say YOU were, I was just agreeing with what big hammer stated about shops firing customers. Some customers aren't worth the money..no matter how much they are spending.

sbcgenII

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Well you started this thread last year warning people to stay away and here we are a year later and you are still using them and bitching about them. I would have fired you too.

Edit read first post again and this started in 2015.

BooneSS13

if this thread it bothers you so much then why are you here?

BooneSS13

oh okay. Yeah that's fine. Fire too many customers and you'll be out of business like Lethal and the others. Seems like that's the road they're going down