1967 firebird 400
06-24-2006, 05:11 PM
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1967 firebird 400 Well i dont know if anynone can help me out with this but im looking at purchasing a 1967 firebird. The owner is a friend of my grandfathers and is a very honest from what it seems like man. He says it has the original 400 ci motor in it and is in very complete and original form. Its a dark forest green or possibly black (i couldnt see from the 5 min i got to look at it). It He says its maybe worth 30000+. Its also has the ram air hood. im not sure if its original and has the 4 bbl that came with it. (i dont know too much about the history of this car if u cant tell) i wanted to know how rare if any this caris ? 
The car looks pretty much like it did comming off the factory floor along with all his classic cars. Its got california black plates. And is an automatic with bucket seats. The owner is offering me 20000 for it. How much is this car worth you think and if this is a good deal? I know camaros outsold firebirds about 2 to 1. let me know what you think thanks... 
The car looks pretty much like it did comming off the factory floor along with all his classic cars. Its got california black plates. And is an automatic with bucket seats. The owner is offering me 20000 for it. How much is this car worth you think and if this is a good deal? I know camaros outsold firebirds about 2 to 1. let me know what you think thanks... 
06-24-2006, 05:29 PM
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Verdero Green-body color Q (special order paint)--this paint has quite a story with it. Apparently John Delorean's wife (at the time) saw a green glass ashtray that she really liked. She told John that he needed to paint a Pontiac in that exact color, and that's where Verdero Green came from...
67,032 hardtops built for '67
18,635 400 V8-equipped 'birds built in '67
65 400 Ram Air V8 cars built for '67
54,589 automatics for '67
The following is from: http://www.brianmattson.com/Family%2...ifications.htm
65 Ram Air Firebirds were built in 1967, 63 coupes and 2 convertibles both of which were automatics. Engine breakdown:
WQ = 3
WI = 42
XN = 20
Of the 65 built only 13 had 4.33 rear end ratios.
None of the 400s built in 1967 were 4-bolt mains, not even the Ram Air 400s.
The 1967 Firebird was released for sale to the public 6 months after the Camaro.
The Ram Air package did not increase the hp rating, instead it increased the engine's rpm peak to 5200. The package added a hotter cam with more overlap and longer valve duration, different valve springs with flat metal dampers, functional hood scoops ducted to the air cleaner, free-flowing cast-iron exhaust manifolds from the 428ci, plus different calibrations on the Q-jet 4bbl.
The Firebird was originally to be named "Banshee" (after a jet fighter of the same name used during the Korean War) until Pontiac executives learned the name described a wailing spirit of death.
GM had a standing rule during the 60s that no production car could produce more than 1hp per 10lbs of body weight. This meant that the Firebird 400 (at 3,250 lbs) could only produce 325hp, while the same engine in the GTO was rated at 350hp. To meet the requirement Pontiac actually modified the link between the primary and secondary barrels of the Q-jet. A metal tab was added that only allowed the secondaries to open 90% at full throttle. New owners could spend about 10 minutes removing this tab and instantly add 25hp to their new Firebird!!
67,032 hardtops built for '67
18,635 400 V8-equipped 'birds built in '67
65 400 Ram Air V8 cars built for '67
54,589 automatics for '67
The following is from: http://www.brianmattson.com/Family%2...ifications.htm
65 Ram Air Firebirds were built in 1967, 63 coupes and 2 convertibles both of which were automatics. Engine breakdown:
WQ = 3
WI = 42
XN = 20
Of the 65 built only 13 had 4.33 rear end ratios.
None of the 400s built in 1967 were 4-bolt mains, not even the Ram Air 400s.
The 1967 Firebird was released for sale to the public 6 months after the Camaro.
The Ram Air package did not increase the hp rating, instead it increased the engine's rpm peak to 5200. The package added a hotter cam with more overlap and longer valve duration, different valve springs with flat metal dampers, functional hood scoops ducted to the air cleaner, free-flowing cast-iron exhaust manifolds from the 428ci, plus different calibrations on the Q-jet 4bbl.
The Firebird was originally to be named "Banshee" (after a jet fighter of the same name used during the Korean War) until Pontiac executives learned the name described a wailing spirit of death.
GM had a standing rule during the 60s that no production car could produce more than 1hp per 10lbs of body weight. This meant that the Firebird 400 (at 3,250 lbs) could only produce 325hp, while the same engine in the GTO was rated at 350hp. To meet the requirement Pontiac actually modified the link between the primary and secondary barrels of the Q-jet. A metal tab was added that only allowed the secondaries to open 90% at full throttle. New owners could spend about 10 minutes removing this tab and instantly add 25hp to their new Firebird!!
06-25-2006, 12:15 AM
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Thanks that helped out alot. But i still am kinda wondering if this would be a good deal or not. From what it sounds like i would say yes but then again what do i know. Yes its a dark green (Verdoro Green) coupe, auto, with bucket seats. Well this car cannot be one of the 56 V8 400 with the ram air hood because this man is pretty knowledgable. (he also has a 71 charger R/T)But what is difference between 400 V8 with the ram air and the one this car i was looking at that looked like it had hood scoops that were on either of the spine on the hood? Is this an aftermarket hood then to make it look like a ram air? I talked to my gradfather and hes driven it and said it is an original 400 and goes like a bat out of hell haha.
06-25-2006, 06:37 PM
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Yes the hood looks exactly like that. If i get more interested in the car i will get the VIN. But from what it seems like it is an all original 67' 400. but how much should this car fetch with an auto and the special dark green color?
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06-25-2006, 08:49 PM
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try www.nada.com I was looking for a 67-69 bird myself..If the car is original, Numbers matching, Showroom condition, buy It..I have seen prices range from $17,000 for a decent looking car to $40k for a fully restored bird..
http://www.classicfirebird.com/1967/67options.html
check the car to see if the numbers really do match..good luck
http://www.classicfirebird.com/1967/67options.html
check the car to see if the numbers really do match..good luck
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An original 1967 "400" Firebird will also have the Pontiac "Arrowhead" in the center of the bumper along with chrome dividers in the center of the grilles. The grilles were silver in 67, black in 68. Look for the other "400" options too - "400" emblem on the trunk lid, etc. 1967 "400" front bumper looks like this:
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Y2K,
That hood is the 1969 Trans Am hood.
The twin-scoop hood shown on the '67 red and blue cars was the same between Ram Air and non-Ram air models, except the scoops on the Ram Air were functional. The Ram Air cars also featured chrome treatment in the engine compartment (oil filler cap, air cleaner, valve covers). The grille and nose treatment is also a good mention, but there have been reproductions of those available, so someone can always add them on.
I'd grab the VIN # and contact PHS (Pontiac Historical Services) if you are serious about buying the car. They can run the # to tell you if it is a true 400 Ram Air car.
Derek
That hood is the 1969 Trans Am hood.
The twin-scoop hood shown on the '67 red and blue cars was the same between Ram Air and non-Ram air models, except the scoops on the Ram Air were functional. The Ram Air cars also featured chrome treatment in the engine compartment (oil filler cap, air cleaner, valve covers). The grille and nose treatment is also a good mention, but there have been reproductions of those available, so someone can always add them on.
I'd grab the VIN # and contact PHS (Pontiac Historical Services) if you are serious about buying the car. They can run the # to tell you if it is a true 400 Ram Air car.
Derek
