IROC R/T

I went to Byron as a spectator on opening day this weekend and there were about six GTO's. Two were 06's with the six liter and the rest were 05's. The best I seen one run was in the low 14's but I would have to say the norm was right about 15 flat with many runs in the 15.2 range. One guy in an 06 six speed was not showing his times on the board so I asked him what he ran in the staging lanes- 14.4. Said the traction control was a problem. Conditions were ok- 46 degree's, 10MPH tail wind, and a DA around 0 feet- not to mention Byron is a little down hill. Most of these runs I saw very little wheelspin- if any on most runs. I thought everyone was saying these ran high 12's- to low 13's with a normal driver? They just don't look like they 13.0 quickness? I expect some defensive comments from this thread but hopefully some of the GTO owners that were there will chime in as well. Also I must say the mustangs were looking kind of slow as well.

radkon

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Probably a combo of poor conditions and poor drivers. At 46dg traction is pretty bad especially with stock tires. Got any 60' times? I'm willing to bet they were 2.1 or higher. Completely stock I ran consistent 14.1's with 2.1 60's and I'm not a good driver. With Nittos I dropped .3 in the 1/4 and ran 1.9 60's and I'm still considered slow. This spring I should be low 13's or high 12's.

BlueSix

I ran a 13.8 in my 2004. I was driving like *** too.

LS1crazy01

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I dont know about those goats but I ran like crap to at Great Lakes Drag Way in Union Grove this past saturday with my TA. I ran 13.1 with at like 108 last year with a 2.150 60ft with a street tire and this past weekend i couldnt do better then 13.43 with a 2.20 60ft and 105.3 mph and thats with my new subframe connectors and Nittos! They did not prep the track at all though and everyone was doin crappy and trappin low! And i know it wasnt my driving either its just that i could not stop spinning. The Goats that were there were doin pretty much the same thing you said they were doin. as far as the weather condidions they were about the same.

xp3nd4bl3

An LS2 GTO should be good for low 13's at 106-108 in those conditions. Could be driver problems, could be track problems. What were the mph for those slower ET passes?

ChitownLS1

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I ran 13.5 with my 04 there last year with minor bolt-ons(high flow cats, intake, pulley, TB,tune)

BlueSuperGoat

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I can't speak for other peoples driving skills or for times ran at a track that I wasn't there to witness the runs or the conditions...but one thing I would like to point out is that both the 2006 AND 2005 GTO's have the 6.0 liter LS2. It is the 2004's that have the 5.7 liter LS1. For the record, some of my 2004 GTO times ran at HRP in Baytown, TX in good to reasonable conditions are:

13.4 @ 104 bone stock
13.1 @ 105 stock with nitto drags
12.6 @ 110 bolt-ons/tune only with nitto drags
12.3 @ 111 cam & bolt-ons/tune only with nitto drags

Hell, my wife even ran a 12.8 @ 108 when it was bolt-ons/tune only with nitto drags.

Keep in mind that mine is an 04 with the 5.7 liter LS1.

IMO, you were watching the wrong GTO's on the wrong day with the wrong drivers.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that my GTO is a 6 speed manual.

alexc

i ran a 13.2 @ 109 with stock tires and 12.9 @ 107 with nitto drags in my goat with an inake only. this is at a 1200 ft elevation track with the da 2000 + both days. i am an average driver at best.

IROC R/T

Track prep was not real good at Byron either. I did not see one run where a GTO got a 100MPH or better. Most were in the 96-99MPH area. I am pretty certain these were all first time drivers. They just did not look like they were accelerating real good. There was a kid in a stock WS6 TA that was having a ball running 13.7's and even took a passenger for a ride down the strip.

gnxs

I was there in one of the slow Mustangs (I didn't know a DD car that runs 11.1 was slow these days ). There were also two GTO guys with us (both 04's). Here's my take:

1) Good Air Saturday since the DA was -250 to -80 most of the day.
2) Opening Day (green track) + Cold temps = limited traction, however the traction got better throughout the day and was real good after 2PM
3) One of the GTO's I was with had a N20 mishap and didn't run, the other 04 GTO that was with us was a minor bolt-on car and went 13.6@106 on factory radials with clutch issues.
4) You are 100% right about the LS2 guys, but to be fair they were all novice drivers learning on a cold track. We were parked at the 1/8th mile and the smell of LS2 clutches smoking was thick in the air. More than once a GTO went from 3rd to 2nd right in front of us. There were numerous missed shifts throughout the day by the LS2 GTO's and 2.3 -2.7 60' times were not uncommon.

You are right about the poor GTO showing, but these guys were all pretty much first timers with stock vehicles. The guy with the 04 was offering tips to one or more of them that helped a few guys get their times down a bit later in the day. I have video of some of the GTOs, but I think they should remain under wraps to protect the innocent.

I will have to stick up for the stangs in our group though. All of our cars are daily drivers, I went 11.1 a few times (Whipple, DRs), Jason went 11.41 in his Cobra (Pullied Eaton, ET Streets/skinnies), Carl went 11.7 (pullied Eaton, DRs), Dan went low-mid 13's (bone stock Mach 1), Chris went 13.7 (stock 97 Cobra), Pete went 12.7 (Mach 1 w/Eaton Blower, factory radials) and Beth went 13.6 (stock Lightning).

Some slow Stangs battling it out:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/gnxs1/Larry-Jason.wmv

Firehawk526

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We have a few LS2 goats running and they were turning out low-mid 13's.......def hooked!

IROC R/T

Yes, a few mustangs were pretty quick- the one that did low 11's was fun to watch- that being yours I commend you on the a cool car!. I only remember one other one in the low 12's but I did leave at 3:00. But it seemed like most of the Mustangs were in the high 14 area. I also noticed most drivers appeared to be newbies as well.

gnxs

Yea, lots of newbies there. There's only one way to get better though and that's through practice. They'll get there eventually. There was a rookie Cobra (03-04) driver with those GTO guys. He was only going mid-high 13's.

I think they all just need some more experience.

skulls0898

Ran my goat, almost ten runs...sat. Best time was 14.1 with a .181 reaction time. 60' time sucked...2.300. Hope to get Nittos soon and return air intake to stock with K&N drop in filter....CAI on car now has proven to give poor performance and does more damage than good. Too much heat soak and no smooth bends. No other mods except magnaflow mufflers....and yes a automatic with that fun torque management.

GTO1_OHIO

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On the 24th we should see some good GTO times being posted from the Norwalk meet. There should be some decent drivers there.

skulls0898

I feel I'm not too bad of a driver..but could improve..I hope tires help and I would like to tune the car to firm up shifts...so delayed. I feel 13's are obtainable for sure with a few tuning issues and tires.

TA455

Hell, I don't even know where Byron is so I can't comment on what the goats did there. I will say, though, that I have seen stock GTO times vary by as much a full second at the same track...on the same day. For whatever reason, there seem to be a lot of people buying the car that have never raced a rear wheel drive car before...many have never raced any car. It is not uncommon to see threads on ls1gto.com that begin, "Going to the strip for the first time, how do I launch, shift, etc., etc." Couple that with the fact that the GTO is very hard to drag race, and you will see some surprisingly slow times. The stock tires and the IRS make it a very hard car to launch...lots of wheelspin and lots of wheel hop are common. Missed gears are also fairly common when trying to shift quickly. The nicest thing I can say about the stock M6 shifter is that it has a comfortable ****. All of these things can be corrected of course; but it takes money.

The best I could manage in my bone stock A4 was 13.3 ET. Nitto DRs got me to 13.2 and a Fuddle 3000 stall lowered ETs to what you see in my signature for NA.

I love the car and it meets my needs perfectly. OTOH, if 1/4 mile racing on a budget is your number one priority, there are probably cars that are better suited for that.

gnxs

I think the guys that raced will admit they're rookies.

Cold Track + IRS + stock tires + vague shifter + rookie = poor ET.

I'm sure the guys that went will have cut more than a second of their time if they are persistent and continue to try and improve.

xp3nd4bl3

Only way the mph could be that bad (100) is if they left TCS on. That cost me 7mph the first time I forgot to turn it off.

CSiJason

You'd have to launch like their was a cop behind you to run times like that.

The first and only run I made so far this year was on my new differential which was still under 200 miles on it at the time. I managed to get it off the line softer than a grandma AND completely missed the 3-4 shift and STILL ran a 13.8 @ 101. That was with a 2.21 60' time and shifting slow and easy as to not add any extra wear and tear on the new differential. Had I launched it harder and cut a decent 60' and not missed the 3-4 shift it would have easily been a 13.2 pass or better. This was with bad air and a so-so track condition.

I've had as bad as 2.6 60' times on the stock tires, usualy the result of being a dumbass and forgetting to deactivate traction control. Both times resulted in mid 14 second runs.