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Old 11-29-2010, 12:43 AM   #1
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Not sure if this has been posted before, (did a quick search) but while doing my typical internet rambles i stumbled across sites promoting and arguing for ethanol free gas. Even a site that will show ethanol free stations in your area.

http://pure-gas.org/comments?viewall

http://www.buyrealgas.com/

Maybe some of yall can benefit from this, The closest one to me is about 5 miles, with 5 or so in a 20ish mile radius. I haven't inspected the gas-map that closely but it seemed like all local non-ethanol stations were mom and pop and low grade type stations. I went ahead and looked in Birmingham (AL) and i saw one chevron and one shell among mostly independant stations.

edit: I have been buying gas from Shell, Chevron, "good" gas stations. I wonder if getting the "bad" gas stations ethanol free (still 93) gas will be better? I'm putting a rear end in my car right now, so I can't really say for sure right now, but I think I will at least try one of these stations..
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I thought it was federally mandated that all gas be made with 10% ethanal? Now im confused.
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Don't give me too much **** for asking this, but is ethanol-free gas worth driving an extra 10 miles out of my way to get? I've heard it gives somewhat better performance and somewhat better mpg, but I've never seen any research or anything that actually proves it.
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Around here (at least) the 10% ethanol deal is only required in areas with a certain population density. I still don't feel the need to drive out of my way to get gas without alcohol. If I want good gas it comes from a 5gal pail.
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Don't give me too much **** for asking this, but is ethanol-free gas worth driving an extra 10 miles out of my way to get? I've heard it gives somewhat better performance and somewhat better mpg, but I've never seen any research or anything that actually proves it.
E85 is about 115 octane so it makes more power, but the regular 87-89-93 with 10% ethanol are still the same octane and make the same power. 100% gasoline will get you ~1mpg more than a 10% blend too. It's more of a "take a hit for the better of the environment" sort of thing.
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I've read a little about the e85 being using in turbo cars with massive injectors and proper tuning to make much more boost, and more power, without what it would normally take to run 40lbs of boost. More from the alcohol's cooling properties than the octane I think. Seems like it takes 30% more fuel for that swap IIRC..

There isn't any E85 around here that i know of, but judging by what it takes to run those cars on it, I'm not in a hurry to find any.

E85 is supposed to give you 10-15% less gas mileage. It is also cheaper, but i read "expect to save $4 every 1000 miles" --talking about regular cars that actually get MILES per gallon

I think it's a crock and just like everything else, they're trying to make it look like our cars actually have a significant impact on the environment, Now they're trying to say that the brand new fuel efficient and low emission cars need new fuel to make a lower impact. I read the majority of oil that the US uses doesn't even come from the Middle East, 90% comes from Canada and Venezuela, IIRC. I think if gasoline is seriously going out the window, then electric will be better for the other 99% of people. That way people can still have corn on the table, and other foods also for that matter if corn isn't the only plant grown in the US in 50 years.

Not like I can keep gasoline around by myself..
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I lose about 63 miles to a tank in my 10 gallon Honda with this new **** gas
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Your 91 and 93 have ethanol in them too? Around here 91/92/93 is pretty much always 100%, 87/89 is 10% ethanol besides a couple places. 10% does cause a decent drop in cars that I have seen, I have heard it does bad things to quads/snowmobiles too.
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i know that there is this fuel additive that does something with the ethanol. my dads friend promotes it but thats about all i know
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E85 is about 115 octane so it makes more power, but the regular 87-89-93 with 10% ethanol are still the same octane and make the same power. 100% gasoline will get you ~1mpg more than a 10% blend too. It's more of a "take a hit for the better of the environment" sort of thing.
I went from 37mpg to around 31mpg in my daily when the 10% ethanol bullshit kicked in. Better for the environment my *** - how is making me buy more gas (which didn't get any cheaper when they added ethanol to it) and drive a car that's less fuel-efficient with this **** "better for the environment"?

Companies add ethanol to gas because the government offers them benefits for doing so. Gas mileage with ethanol blend is worse, meaning I have to buy more gas, but it's not cheaper with the ethanol blend - so the gas companies make more money by selling more gas AND from government benefits, and the government gets more gas tax money because I have to buy more of it. Government-subsidized huge farms sell corn for ethanol production, meaning feed prices for livestock goes up, which means food prices go up. Now, I pay the same amount for shittier gas, AND my grocery bill's gone up because of it. Wonderful.

It's nothing but a bullshit racketeering operation that does absolutely nothing to benefit the environment. And, if you read around on it, ethanol-blend emissions are actually worse that straight gas emissions.
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ethanol is a scam... its hardly even efficient to produce.
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Chase-Hardly isn't even in the picture. It's not at all efficient to produce.
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i didnt notice but 1 to 2 mpgs difference in my dd which is a 07 cobalt but the 10% ethanol gas is about 10 cents cheaper so it really about the same
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I went from 37mpg to around 31mpg in my daily when the 10% ethanol bullshit kicked in. Better for the environment my *** - how is making me buy more gas (which didn't get any cheaper when they added ethanol to it) and drive a car that's less fuel-efficient with this **** "better for the environment"?

Companies add ethanol to gas because the government offers them benefits for doing so. Gas mileage with ethanol blend is worse, meaning I have to buy more gas, but it's not cheaper with the ethanol blend - so the gas companies make more money by selling more gas AND from government benefits, and the government gets more gas tax money because I have to buy more of it. Government-subsidized huge farms sell corn for ethanol production, meaning feed prices for livestock goes up, which means food prices go up. Now, I pay the same amount for shittier gas, AND my grocery bill's gone up because of it. Wonderful.

It's nothing but a bullshit racketeering operation that does absolutely nothing to benefit the environment. And, if you read around on it, ethanol-blend emissions are actually worse that straight gas emissions.
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It's a scam, period. It's the same thing as a drug dealer cutting his cocaine with baking soda.
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And the Government subsidies ethanol too. Ethanol is a complete joke. I avoid it at all costs. Gas stations are close enough together that its not driving 10 miles out of my way. Most stations have a selection for with and without.

Does anyone know if gas stations dont have to put the thing on pumps any more that says if it has Ethanol in it or not? Stations that once had the stickers on the pumps no longer do now. It makes me leary of buying gas from them now. My motorcycles owners manual specifically says NOT to use any of that gas.
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I went from 37mpg to around 31mpg in my daily when the 10% ethanol bullshit kicked in. Better for the environment my *** - how is making me buy more gas (which didn't get any cheaper when they added ethanol to it) and drive a car that's less fuel-efficient with this **** "better for the environment"?

Companies add ethanol to gas because the government offers them benefits for doing so. Gas mileage with ethanol blend is worse, meaning I have to buy more gas, but it's not cheaper with the ethanol blend - so the gas companies make more money by selling more gas AND from government benefits, and the government gets more gas tax money because I have to buy more of it. Government-subsidized huge farms sell corn for ethanol production, meaning feed prices for livestock goes up, which means food prices go up. Now, I pay the same amount for shittier gas, AND my grocery bill's gone up because of it. Wonderful.

It's nothing but a bullshit racketeering operation that does absolutely nothing to benefit the environment. And, if you read around on it, ethanol-blend emissions are actually worse that straight gas emissions.

Sounds about right
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And the Government subsidies ethanol too. Ethanol is a complete joke. I avoid it at all costs. Gas stations are close enough together that its not driving 10 miles out of my way. Most stations have a selection for with and without.

Does anyone know if gas stations dont have to put the thing on pumps any more that says if it has Ethanol in it or not? Stations that once had the stickers on the pumps no longer do now. It makes me leary of buying gas from them now. My motorcycles owners manual specifically says NOT to use any of that gas.
If they had it on before and don't now the sticker probably fell off. You could always just ask them if it does or doesn't.
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E85 can allow for more boost and more power essentially.
You also tend to guzzle the **** out of it though..
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Ethanol does not have as much potential energy as gasoline, so more has to be used, therefore the mileage is always going to be less.
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