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Old 12-03-2011, 01:57 PM   #1
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Default 3/4 and full race cam wtf?

Yesterday this older guy was asking me about my car and asked me if it had a 3/4 cam or a full cam. I didnt even know what to say Ive never heard of that. Is it something from the old days cause Im only 19 and had no clue what he was talking about haha Can anyone explain this to me?
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http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Take_34Race.html

pretty much, its old man terminology
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He was probly messing with you.
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He was probly messing with you.
Most likely he wasn't. The old racers have lost touch with the newer stuff and all they know is their old terminology from their race days hence "3/4 race cam" We go by duration/lift and LSA, they go by 3/4 and full race cam
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^^^

I wonder what the specs were on those old cams. Just for comparison purposes to what we perceive as streetable/full race cams.
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It's probably got an RV cam instead.
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Duration in a stock LS1 cam would be considered aggressive in the old school stuff.
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havent heard that description in awhile.


did he ask if you have a carburetor?
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you probably have one.
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The guy I bought my draglites from asked me if my 94 had a carburetor, old guy so same deal, probably thinks you can't do it with fuel injection or something.
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http://forums.hotrod.com/70/1303553/...ecs/index.html

"Yeah I know that this used to be a joke, but Cam Dynamics did make a cam they called the 3/4 race cam. They did this just because every non-knowing street person wanted a 3/4 cam.

I looked into one of my old books and here are the specs listed for the 3/4 race cam.

SBC Hyd. Rough idle, 283-400CI, good mid-range torque, OK for Auto w/street perf. conv. in 327-up CI, Power brakes req. 99590-1 Vac. res. system, aftermarket carb, int, & exh. advised.
Basic RPM 2200-5200
Cam use oval/drag Series grind # 3/4 Race 300-06 H
Dur. @ .050 218* 218*
adv. Dur 300* 300*
Lobe seperation 106*
running clearance hot .000 .000
Gross valve lift .450 .450

Thought this would make a good laugh for some people
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Stock LT1 cam- Lift .447"/.459" duration 205/207
Stock LT4 cam- Lift .476"/.479" duration 203/210
Stock LS1 98' cam- Lift .496"/..496" duration 202/210
Stock LS6 02+ cam- .551"/.547" duration 204/218
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pretty massive cam right there sanchez... no wonder they had to cut the base circle to 3/4's
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Crane has been making an entire line of 3/4 race cams for DECADES. Silly noobs.
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Most likely he wasn't. The old racers have lost touch with the newer stuff and all they know is their old terminology from their race days hence "3/4 race cam" We go by duration/lift and LSA, they go by 3/4 and full race cam
This is what I was thinking and he was definitely serious! I was going to get into the cam specs and all but I figured he would have no clue what I was talking about and think Im just making up stuff haha

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havent heard that description in awhile.


did he ask if you have a carburetor?
No it always starts with " What engine you got in there?" When he said does it have a 3/4 or full race cam I just kinda froze up and said "whatever one they had a special on at pep boys" haha
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http://forums.hotrod.com/70/1303553/...ecs/index.html

"Yeah I know that this used to be a joke, but Cam Dynamics did make a cam they called the 3/4 race cam. They did this just because every non-knowing street person wanted a 3/4 cam.

I looked into one of my old books and here are the specs listed for the 3/4 race cam.

SBC Hyd. Rough idle, 283-400CI, good mid-range torque, OK for Auto w/street perf. conv. in 327-up CI, Power brakes req. 99590-1 Vac. res. system, aftermarket carb, int, & exh. advised.
Basic RPM 2200-5200
Cam use oval/drag Series grind # 3/4 Race 300-06 H
Dur. @ .050 218* 218*
adv. Dur 300* 300*
Lobe seperation 106*
running clearance hot .000 .000
Gross valve lift .450 .450

Thought this would make a good laugh for some people
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For comparisons sake:
Stock LT1 cam- Lift .447"/.459" duration 205/207
Stock LT4 cam- Lift .476"/.479" duration 203/210
Stock LS1 98' cam- Lift .496"/..496" duration 202/210
Stock LS6 02+ cam- .551"/.547" duration 204/218

Whats crazy about that though is that is supposed to be a 3/4 race cam but here are the cam specs on a 350hp 327


Rpm Range: 1800-5800
Advertised Duration: 342 Int. / 342 Exh.
Duration @ .050: 222 Int. / Exh.222
Valve Lift: .447 Int. / .447 Exh.
Lobe Sep. Angle: 117


http://www.jegs.com/i/Comp-Cams/249/...d=#moreDetails
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First, it's not about cam profile metrics. The 3/4 cam deal goes back over 50 years so lift, duration ( which can be measured many ways ), etc are useless in comparing with today's engines. Developments in valve trains, flow dynamics and ECUs have completely changed the cam profile as well.
In the day, there were "mild", "3/4" and "full race" cam grinds. 3/4 cams were for the guy who had headers, good intake system, etc., and was good for some Saturday night drag racing. Too much cam made the engine hard to tune and was not good for daily driving. The 3/4 cam was the sweet spot for a lot of guys.
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Also back in the day, which I remember being an oldster, when you started getting into the full race cams you most likely used solid lifters. This was also when the only roller lifters were high end race only parts, and were all solid.

The advent of hydraulic roller lifters for street cars drastically changed the cam industry and the profiles that can be used.

So be glad you are in the performance world today and able to take advantage and enjoy that is available to you.
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First, it's not about cam profile metrics. The 3/4 cam deal goes back over 50 years so lift, duration ( which can be measured many ways ), etc are useless in comparing with today's engines. Developments in valve trains, flow dynamics and ECUs have completely changed the cam profile as well.
In the day, there were "mild", "3/4" and "full race" cam grinds. 3/4 cams were for the guy who had headers, good intake system, etc., and was good for some Saturday night drag racing. Too much cam made the engine hard to tune and was not good for daily driving. The 3/4 cam was the sweet spot for a lot of guys.
Speaking of "back in the day", this thread is YEARS old. Why were you searching for a 3/4 race cam? Need mo' giddyup fo' that ol' hot rod?
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