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Old 04-14-2012, 06:10 PM   #1
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So, I was going to go get a Ford Fusion lease to replace my Mercury Milan lease. This would have been my 3 Ford daily driver in a row. Being the patriotic type, I just assumed that buying a Ford was the right thing to do. After all, they did not take any money from the government like GM did.

My wife on the other hand drives a Hyundai. She told me I should consider a Hyundai. After I stated that buying a Ford was better for America, she said: "Is it? Are you sure about that?". She said that I should have a look at the sticker first. Being a car guy, I was set back a bit by the idea that my wife might know more than I on the topic. But, we went to the Hyunda and Kia dealers to take look. She was right.

The Ford Fusion had 30% American made parts and was assembled in Mexico. The Kia Optima had 48% American made parts and was assembled in America.
The Fusion's engine and trans were made in Mexico. The Optima's engine and trans were made in America.

You could not be any more surprised than I.
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The only thing American about GM, Ford, and Chrysler is that their headquarters are in the US. They are probably the least "American Made" cars out there at this point.
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Known this for awhile.
If you want to buy American, Toyota Camry is actually #1
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So, I was going to go get a Ford Fusion lease to replace my Mercury Milan lease. This would have been my 3 Ford daily driver in a row. Being the patriotic type, I just assumed that buying a Ford was the right thing to do. After all, they did not take any money from the government like GM did.

My wife on the other hand drives a Hyundai. She told me I should consider a Hyundai. After I stated that buying a Ford was better for America, she said: "Is it? Are you sure about that?". She said that I should have a look at the sticker first. Being a car guy, I was set back a bit by the idea that my wife might know more than I on the topic. But, we went to the Hyunda and Kia dealers to take look. She was right.

The Ford Fusion had 30% American made parts and was assembled in Mexico. The Kia Optima had 48% American made parts and was assembled in America.
The Fusion's engine and trans were made in Mexico. The Optima's engine and trans were made in America.

You could not be any more surprised than I.


the ford fusions are great cars. they seem reliable so far....at least my customers cars do.

the hyundai/kia is built in georgia i think. their quality went waayyyy up when the korean govt merged them together. that was around 2001 i think. newer than that, you've got great cars from them. older than that, they burn oil like mitsubishis........
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for the longest time i always said get that jap crap out of my way , i bashed those cars for so long just because i to feel you should buy american , when i found that out all i could say was wtf lol, serious ford,gm, etc are more jap crap than honda ,toyota etc lol, but i will say maybe that is the reason they have such good cars now lol, the new fusion 2013 look pretty killer, and these cars are getting great mpg, yes i hate the idea these cars are not all made here,but then again america is kinda going down hill while others are going up, but yes its a shock to find that out
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Companies want to cut corners, outsource jobs, cheap parts, and cheap labor. Not surprising at all.
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The only thing American about GM, Ford, and Chrysler is that their headquarters are in the US. They are probably the least "American Made" cars out there at this point.
Yeah thats really it but your putting more money in other Americans hands if you buy the Hundai in this situation.

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the ford fusions are great cars. they seem reliable so far....at least my customers cars do.

the hyundai/kia is built in georgia i think. their quality went waayyyy up when the korean govt merged them together. that was around 2001 i think. newer than that, you've got great cars from them. older than that, they burn oil like mitsubishis........
My one of my friends has one and its really starting to show its age. Its 4 years old now i believe and there are all sorts of issues coming up with it. Nothing too serious though.
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Go buy a Volkswagen Passat. They are a top Car & Driver built car, and built in my hometown Chattanooga, TN! Support my local economy back home!
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F150 is 75%, Edge is 70% and explorer is 60%... you still have some options from the blue oval.

In fact, for 2012MY the Fusion has the lowest parts content of any Ford besides the Transit Connect (0%). Ford is reportedly planning to bring Fusion production back to Michigan sometime in the next generation.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/staticfiles/rul...Alpha_rev3.pdf
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Companies want to cut corners, outsource jobs, cheap parts, and cheap labor. Not surprising at all.
How is this surprising to anyone?
American companies have "outsourced" and went for "cheap" labor. All the way back to colonial times. I hear eventually it was a contributor to a civil unrest of sorts.
these business practices are not gonna change any time soon. LOL
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Didn't Ford take more money from financial funding than GM did with their bailout?
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The thing is you have to remember where the $$$$ goes back to headquarters. You buy a Kia, that's great that they employ a few thousand americans in Georgia to assemble their cars. There are still tens of thousands of employees back in Korea that work at headquarters, engineering, marketing, etc that you are supporting with your purchase $$$$.

You buy a Ford, granted you are supporting some Mexicans who built the car and its parts, but the $$$$ goes back to Detriot to support Americans working in marketing, finance, engineering, etc. The assembly line workers are just a portion of the people you support when you buy a car.
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Didn't Ford take more money from financial funding than GM did with their bailout?
Ford borrowed and has/is paying back 5.9 billion, at interest, from the federal reserve IIRC.

We invested a total of 60 Billion in GM, ~10 billion they've paid back so far, the rest we purchased as stock. We still own 26.5% of GM. A google news search show the current forecast is we will lose 21.7 billion from the investment. GM's stock will have to rise to $53/share from the $23/share its at currently to get an even return on our investment.

Those numbers do not account for the fact that GM hasn't paid any taxes since bankruptcy and do not include the small guy stock and bondholders who got absolutely screwed over during the bankruptcy.

No politics, just facts.
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The only thing American about GM, Ford, and Chrysler is that their headquarters are in the US. They are probably the least "American Made" cars out there at this point.
any proof foreign automakers build more cars here than the big three?
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How is this surprising to anyone?
American companies have "outsourced" and went for "cheap" labor. All the way back to colonial times. I hear eventually it was a contributor to a civil unrest of sorts.
these business practices are not gonna change any time soon. LOL
Now thats funny.
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I hate how ignorant some people are about this subject. Just because the company is based in American doesn't mean American anymore. One of the locals I work does some switching in the yard in Indy that was built just to switch out the GM and Chrysler plants, both of which shut down, and Ford shut down a factory just south of where I grew up, but we work the Subaru plant up in Lafayette, there is a huge Honda plant about 45 minutes from here, and Toyota opened up a plant about 10 years ago where I grew up and is still expanding and adding jobs.
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Ford borrowed and has/is paying back 5.9 billion, at interest, from the federal reserve IIRC.

We invested a total of 60 Billion in GM, ~10 billion they've paid back so far, the rest we purchased as stock. We still own 26.5% of GM. A google news search show the current forecast is we will lose 21.7 billion from the investment. GM's stock will have to rise to $53/share from the $23/share its at currently to get an even return on our investment.

Those numbers do not account for the fact that GM hasn't paid any taxes since bankruptcy and do not include the small guy stock and bondholders who got absolutely screwed over during the bankruptcy.

No politics, just facts.
So is this untrue? Because I am confused about the subject. Everywhere states that Ford received $2 billion more than GM did in their bailout with a much lower rate of interest to pay back.

http://jalopnik.com/5704575/
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The thing is you have to remember where the $$$$ goes back to headquarters. You buy a Kia, that's great that they employ a few thousand americans in Georgia to assemble their cars. There are still tens of thousands of employees back in Korea that work at headquarters, engineering, marketing, etc that you are supporting with your purchase $$$$.
This is a consideration. But, just like you can't assume where a car is manufactured, I don't want to assume that all of the administrative and engineering is done in this country either.
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So is this untrue? Because I am confused about the subject. Everywhere states that Ford received $2 billion more than GM did in their bailout with a much lower rate of interest to pay back.

http://jalopnik.com/5704575/
looks to me like hat article says that they bought paper from those besides gm and chrysler. little different than buying up the companies debts.
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