Who sell SB2.2 heads and stuff?
09-04-2010, 10:27 PM
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Who sell SB2.2 heads and stuff? like the title say who sells good SB2.2 heads? Im thinking of doing 427ci short block from Scott Shafiroff and SB2.2 heads for weekend warrior '92 Z28 the transmission is TH350 and 3500 stall and 3.73 gears and coilovers
09-05-2010, 02:43 AM
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my friend that did my rods worked for a machine shop thats mainly sprintcar stuff.. they had a few sets... i can call him and talk to him tuesday and see what hes got, let me know or remind me in other words 
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seems like jones brothers racing was the name milled on the heads if i remember correctly, its been 2 months ago... i know they were 100% cnc machined even on the outside,and all titanium components. seems like $4500 comes to mind for some reason..
...seems like jones brothers racing was the name milled on the heads if i remember correctly, its been 2 months ago... i know they were 100% cnc machined even on the outside,and all titanium components. seems like $4500 comes to mind for some reason..
09-05-2010, 03:14 AM
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09-05-2010, 03:31 AM
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honestly if i were going to do a 427 shortblock for the money your talking about with the shortblock i think i would go with 2.2 heads...
i was looking at a 410ci donovan aluminum block, with either 18*heads or the 2.2 heads... alot of the 18* stuff is coming available because alot of the sprintcar guys are starting to unload them..
thats something you might do, i didnt pay attention where you were located but look around for an engine shop that focus's on sprintcar engines.. those guys are usually broke because they have to play so much catch up with last years parts cause they have to have the latest greatest stuff to keep up with the competition..
gm also sells the 2.2 heads..
http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/perform...CATID=671.html
i was looking at a 410ci donovan aluminum block, with either 18*heads or the 2.2 heads... alot of the 18* stuff is coming available because alot of the sprintcar guys are starting to unload them..
thats something you might do, i didnt pay attention where you were located but look around for an engine shop that focus's on sprintcar engines.. those guys are usually broke because they have to play so much catch up with last years parts cause they have to have the latest greatest stuff to keep up with the competition..
gm also sells the 2.2 heads..
http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/perform...CATID=671.html
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09-05-2010, 08:19 PM
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you can get sb2.2 for 2k-2500k now with shafts,intake is 200-300 most the time.pistons need to be sb2.2 pistons..diamond can make a set for you no problem..they cost same as a 23 degree forged piston..you will need to run a sb2.2 cam and lifters also though and then headers need to be built
09-05-2010, 08:45 PM
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you can get sb2.2 for 2k-2500k now with shafts,intake is 200-300 most the time.pistons need to be sb2.2 pistons..diamond can make a set for you no problem..they cost same as a 23 degree forged piston..you will need to run a sb2.2 cam and lifters also though and then headers need to be built
is that with titanium components?
09-05-2010, 11:34 PM
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SB2.2 is NOT normal small block compatible. SB2 is. SB2 is a updated 18 degree head with even exhaust port spacing like a like LS style engines. They have to use custom pistons with the correct cam core Spider style intake manifolds and fabricated headers. All parts will go on a standard small block.
SB2.2 engines have there own design of block that has canted lifter bores and funky heads that are designed only for that block and sort of resemble a big block. It would only be worth spending money on a SB2.2 if you purchased a whole engine. Usually a retired SB2.2 setup will cost between 6 and 8 grand for the entire engine and it would probably need to be freshened up.
SB2.2 engines have there own design of block that has canted lifter bores and funky heads that are designed only for that block and sort of resemble a big block. It would only be worth spending money on a SB2.2 if you purchased a whole engine. Usually a retired SB2.2 setup will cost between 6 and 8 grand for the entire engine and it would probably need to be freshened up.
09-05-2010, 11:36 PM
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SB2.2 is NOT normal small block compatible. SB2 is. SB2 is a updated 18 degree head with even exhaust port spacing like a like LS style engines. They have to use custom pistons with the correct cam core Spider style intake manifolds and fabricated headers. All parts will go on a standard small block.
SB2.2 engines have there own design of block that has canted lifter bores and funky heads that are designed only for that block and sort of resemble a big block. It would only be worth spending money on a SB2.2 if you purchased a whole engine. Usually a retired SB2.2 setup will cost between 6 and 8 grand for the entire engine and it would probably need to be freshened up.
SB2.2 engines have there own design of block that has canted lifter bores and funky heads that are designed only for that block and sort of resemble a big block. It would only be worth spending money on a SB2.2 if you purchased a whole engine. Usually a retired SB2.2 setup will cost between 6 and 8 grand for the entire engine and it would probably need to be freshened up.
09-06-2010, 01:57 AM
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it would be if he was right but he is not..I have owned 2 sets of sb2.2 heads and a set of sb2 heads..sb2 is a 559 casting an is a 13 degree head where the sb2.2 is a 011 casting an are a 12 degree head.Both the intake ports are a spread port like the ls BUT the exh ports are normal like a 23 degree,15 or 18 degree head where the to ports in the center are side by side..known as a mirrored head..the sb2.2 that are for a 4.50 bore spacing block are not like that.
Either head will fit on a reg gm,bowtie,little m,iron eagle,rocket or shp bock..You have to run the right lifters to use the heads on the blocks,pistons and cam.
sb2 stuff wont go with sb2.2 stuff though he is right on that,sb2.2 was the redesigned version of the sb2's and the first sb2.2 came around in 97 while the sb2 where used from 94-96 if i remember right.
they both use spider intakes with valley trays,have diff jesel shafts per each,use a diff cam and piston design and will take diff lifters.
stay away from the sb2 stuff seeing you cant find any parts really for them and they make less power.
BUT TRUST ME THEY BOTH CAN BE USED ON NORMAL ENGINE BLOCKS AS LONG AS YOUR VALVES ARE NOT BIGGER THEN SAY 2.15/1.60 THEY CAN EVEN BE USED ON A 4.03 BORE BUT IT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO SEEING YOU WILL SHROUD THE **** OUT OF THE VALVES AND IT WILL HURT YOU BIG TIME IN A N/A SETUP OR JUICE DEAL.
an yes these heads look like big block heads though heres a sb set with a dart 227 23 head in the middle
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Either head will fit on a reg gm,bowtie,little m,iron eagle,rocket or shp bock..You have to run the right lifters to use the heads on the blocks,pistons and cam.
sb2 stuff wont go with sb2.2 stuff though he is right on that,sb2.2 was the redesigned version of the sb2's and the first sb2.2 came around in 97 while the sb2 where used from 94-96 if i remember right.
they both use spider intakes with valley trays,have diff jesel shafts per each,use a diff cam and piston design and will take diff lifters.
stay away from the sb2 stuff seeing you cant find any parts really for them and they make less power.
BUT TRUST ME THEY BOTH CAN BE USED ON NORMAL ENGINE BLOCKS AS LONG AS YOUR VALVES ARE NOT BIGGER THEN SAY 2.15/1.60 THEY CAN EVEN BE USED ON A 4.03 BORE BUT IT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO SEEING YOU WILL SHROUD THE **** OUT OF THE VALVES AND IT WILL HURT YOU BIG TIME IN A N/A SETUP OR JUICE DEAL.
an yes these heads look like big block heads though heres a sb set with a dart 227 23 head in the middle
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09-06-2010, 02:01 AM
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used nascar stuff with tit valves and psi springs..you can jump on ebay and by a set right now in that price range
also if you do go with sb2.2 you will want to find the 691 intake which is the best one to have converted to a dom flange and ported on.
also if you do go with sb2.2 you will want to find the 691 intake which is the best one to have converted to a dom flange and ported on.
09-06-2010, 02:12 AM
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wow you know your stuff huh lol thank you so much for sharing correct info's but I might just leave the Z28 alone for a while Im working on a turbo 355 for C4 I made a new topic I will be glad if you help me out more
09-06-2010, 08:05 AM
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Yes you are right I were wrong about the exhaust port spacing but it is still pretty wide and normal small block headers don't even come close to fitting the two center ports.
Every true SB2.2 I have seen before used a block with canted lifter bores. I assumed that if used on a stock block rocker geometry would be wrong. But I am looking around on the internet a little bit hear and cannot find any pics of the canted lifter bore blocks I know I have seen before.
I had some friends that built a E Modified car a few years back and used a Patterson Race Engines custom built 323cid SB2.2 engine that had a block like what I am talking about and Carl Foltz ported cylinder heads. it made over 800hp naturally. It was nearly a $100,000 piece though.
Every true SB2.2 I have seen before used a block with canted lifter bores. I assumed that if used on a stock block rocker geometry would be wrong. But I am looking around on the internet a little bit hear and cannot find any pics of the canted lifter bore blocks I know I have seen before.
I had some friends that built a E Modified car a few years back and used a Patterson Race Engines custom built 323cid SB2.2 engine that had a block like what I am talking about and Carl Foltz ported cylinder heads. it made over 800hp naturally. It was nearly a $100,000 piece though.
09-06-2010, 02:00 PM
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SB2.2 is NOT normal small block compatible. SB2 is. SB2 is a updated 18 degree head with even exhaust port spacing like a like LS style engines. They have to use custom pistons with the correct cam core Spider style intake manifolds and fabricated headers. All parts will go on a standard small block.
SB2.2 engines have there own design of block that has canted lifter bores and funky heads that are designed only for that block and sort of resemble a big block. It would only be worth spending money on a SB2.2 if you purchased a whole engine. Usually a retired SB2.2 setup will cost between 6 and 8 grand for the entire engine and it would probably need to be freshened up.
SB2.2 engines have there own design of block that has canted lifter bores and funky heads that are designed only for that block and sort of resemble a big block. It would only be worth spending money on a SB2.2 if you purchased a whole engine. Usually a retired SB2.2 setup will cost between 6 and 8 grand for the entire engine and it would probably need to be freshened up.
09-06-2010, 03:24 PM
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i had a n2o 412 over 5 yrs ago that was close to 900 for 12k using **** i got deals on yrs ago..if he paid 100k he got *** raped by a silver back,,(im just saying because its damn true)i dont know why he had cfe do the heads and patterson do the rest..patterson builds some of the baddest sbc around.
a sb2.2 block has 50mm roller cam core and uses 2.30 mains not 2.45 like a normal 350 block and has lifter bores corrected for the lifters.
nascar motors use small journals like 2.30 crank and 1.85 or 1.88 on the rods to keep friction down in the motors,they also use small strokes like 3.20-3.34 an then large bores around 4.155..ive owned my share of bryant and winberg nascar cranks to an there badass..nothing like a 40# or lighter billet crank fully profiled and gun drilled..the craftmenship is next to known.
a sb2.2 block has 50mm roller cam core and uses 2.30 mains not 2.45 like a normal 350 block and has lifter bores corrected for the lifters.
nascar motors use small journals like 2.30 crank and 1.85 or 1.88 on the rods to keep friction down in the motors,they also use small strokes like 3.20-3.34 an then large bores around 4.155..ive owned my share of bryant and winberg nascar cranks to an there badass..nothing like a 40# or lighter billet crank fully profiled and gun drilled..the craftmenship is next to known.
