Americans at WAR: CTS-V 2009 vs. WS6 LT1 1996'
03-06-2009, 05:56 PM
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Americans at WAR: CTS-V 2009 vs. WS6 LT1 1996' Well, more tales from the crypt (Dallas)
An American revolution on the streets of D-town, a NEW foot-soldier from the bowels of Cadillac's. It's rare when a dime-piece like the CTS-V graces a WS6 LT1 with a shot at its crown
Certainly no-one would have expected running into a brand new CTS-V (556 hp) 2009 model all BLACK (gangsta). I'm running along Preston / 289 for those that know the road on the way to Frisco. I'm just enjoying the evening (perfect weather (70 and breezy)) when I look in my rear view mirror and notice a unique set of stacked headlights with a vertical LED marker. It peaks my interest immediately, thinking this could be something tasty, I start to allow myself to be crept up on over the next 1/2 mile. The car finally gets beside me and I give it the tell-tale goose from 4th gear. He responds with a snappy return of exhaust note, as we pull up to the light I move to the inner left lane and he follows right behind me. I'm sure at this point he is going to try and roll-me from the back when I pull away from the light (just instinct) . I pull away slowly in first and shift to second lazily, and I start to move over into the middle lane to accelarate. Quickly I jump on it through 2nd and a portion of 3rd, and I see him follow suit.
We both get side by side and start playing around a little bit, definitely one mean looking car. Both cars pull up to the light and I roll down the window and say " Is that the NEW bad boy ? ", he responds " Maybe, with a smirk " We both kind of laugh and he states it's a new 2009 with (CORSA ?) exhaust ! I respond with " do you want to go from a roll in first when the light goes green ? " Trying to give him a little help with his 4300 curb weight against my 315/30/18 BFG's. If we went from a dig I think it would have been a little unfair ? He agrees to do the first gear roll (stating his car is a pig @ 4300 lbs) to make the race very interesting. Rolling along in first gear @ 3200 rpm's, LT1 is ready to make love to the T56 ! I count it off, 1, 2, 3........Kaboom ! Civil war cannons sounded off from the BIG V as we both gnaw at the serrated concrete ! The LT1 nose starts across his battlefield to the middle of his door and by the top of 1st gear 6200 rpm's, I pull the nose just about two feet in front of his headlights. Another volley of instrumental bliss comes from both cars shifting into 2nd, as the LT1 grabs and bites at the thick concrete I manage to put the tail-lights to the middle of his passenger door. The V is worked into a frenzied pace of piston slapping firepower, making the inevitable shift into 3rd gear (LT1 just screaming out-loud with the Corsa exhaust & LT's) spelling the demise of the race. Climbing through 3rd gear, I notice the CTS-V starting to make its way back up my body-line. We both are locked in wheel to wheel combat at this point and the LT1 does not want to go down without a fight, but to no avail. He works his nose to the back of my front tire around my 6000 rpm shift into 4th.
All I can think of at this point is deafining tone from the V right in my window as he starts to creep past me in the top of 4th gear. I shut it down at 6000 rpm's in 4th only to see my nose at his back rear tire. All in all, the LT1 had a great showing against this monster ! We talked for a minute at the next stoplight (complimenting each others cars, I gave up heavy props on his new car
) He even went so far as to say " Your car runs extremely hard-core " I don't think he expected a LT1 car to run that good ! In retro-spect, had we went from a stand still I think I might have been able to do a little better, but not much. Either way, a great way to end a beautiful evening.
Home you enjoyed the story (forgive the colorful writing)
An American revolution on the streets of D-town, a NEW foot-soldier from the bowels of Cadillac's. It's rare when a dime-piece like the CTS-V graces a WS6 LT1 with a shot at its crown
Certainly no-one would have expected running into a brand new CTS-V (556 hp) 2009 model all BLACK (gangsta). I'm running along Preston / 289 for those that know the road on the way to Frisco. I'm just enjoying the evening (perfect weather (70 and breezy)) when I look in my rear view mirror and notice a unique set of stacked headlights with a vertical LED marker. It peaks my interest immediately, thinking this could be something tasty, I start to allow myself to be crept up on over the next 1/2 mile. The car finally gets beside me and I give it the tell-tale goose from 4th gear. He responds with a snappy return of exhaust note, as we pull up to the light I move to the inner left lane and he follows right behind me. I'm sure at this point he is going to try and roll-me from the back when I pull away from the light (just instinct) . I pull away slowly in first and shift to second lazily, and I start to move over into the middle lane to accelarate. Quickly I jump on it through 2nd and a portion of 3rd, and I see him follow suit.
We both get side by side and start playing around a little bit, definitely one mean looking car. Both cars pull up to the light and I roll down the window and say " Is that the NEW bad boy ? ", he responds " Maybe, with a smirk " We both kind of laugh and he states it's a new 2009 with (CORSA ?) exhaust ! I respond with " do you want to go from a roll in first when the light goes green ? " Trying to give him a little help with his 4300 curb weight against my 315/30/18 BFG's. If we went from a dig I think it would have been a little unfair ? He agrees to do the first gear roll (stating his car is a pig @ 4300 lbs) to make the race very interesting. Rolling along in first gear @ 3200 rpm's, LT1 is ready to make love to the T56 ! I count it off, 1, 2, 3........Kaboom ! Civil war cannons sounded off from the BIG V as we both gnaw at the serrated concrete ! The LT1 nose starts across his battlefield to the middle of his door and by the top of 1st gear 6200 rpm's, I pull the nose just about two feet in front of his headlights. Another volley of instrumental bliss comes from both cars shifting into 2nd, as the LT1 grabs and bites at the thick concrete I manage to put the tail-lights to the middle of his passenger door. The V is worked into a frenzied pace of piston slapping firepower, making the inevitable shift into 3rd gear (LT1 just screaming out-loud with the Corsa exhaust & LT's) spelling the demise of the race. Climbing through 3rd gear, I notice the CTS-V starting to make its way back up my body-line. We both are locked in wheel to wheel combat at this point and the LT1 does not want to go down without a fight, but to no avail. He works his nose to the back of my front tire around my 6000 rpm shift into 4th.
All I can think of at this point is deafining tone from the V right in my window as he starts to creep past me in the top of 4th gear. I shut it down at 6000 rpm's in 4th only to see my nose at his back rear tire. All in all, the LT1 had a great showing against this monster ! We talked for a minute at the next stoplight (complimenting each others cars, I gave up heavy props on his new car
) He even went so far as to say " Your car runs extremely hard-core " I don't think he expected a LT1 car to run that good ! In retro-spect, had we went from a stand still I think I might have been able to do a little better, but not much. Either way, a great way to end a beautiful evening.Home you enjoyed the story (forgive the colorful writing)
03-07-2009, 11:01 AM
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Any idea if the CTS was a manual or auto trans? Does your car have aftermarket rockers? Has it ever been dynoed?
(yes, an LS1 will dyno about 10 percent higher, but the torque curve of the n54 motor is as flat as kansas - and with the six speed auto, it is always in the powerband). Both are right about 11.5 seconds stock 0-100. With a little work, and next to no $, they absolutely scream.
Some of the more impressive boltons.
http://www.burgertuning.com/jbplus.html 10 min install and 15percent bolton hp for 280$ (and thats the default boost setting on 91 octane)
http://www.burgertuning.com/jb3pnp.html
The upper limit is in the 400/400 range on pump and 420 on 100 octane. More than one guy is in the upper 11s at about 116 with only dragradials.
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03-07-2009, 11:44 AM
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89rs400&335,
My car has dyno'd as high as 330 rwhp & 350 rwtq, but that was only once. It has dyno'd multiple times in the 325 rwhp / 345 rwtq range. I generally go with the latter number as accurate. Those numbers are attained from a pure bolt-on LT1, 6spd car with 4:11's (MOSER), 1.6 RR's and every imaginable bolt-on possible on a LT1 car. The ET in my sig is old, I'm pretty sure the car is well capable of 12.40 ish @ 110/111 the way it sits right now. I believe his CTS-V was an automatic (it shifted very clean).
My last recorded 1/8 mile in this car was 8.011 @ 86.79 mph. I know thats not fast enough to equate to a CTS-V in the quarter, but it should equate to the race I had with the V from 10mph to 90 ish...
Capn smokey,
Believe what you want, but that is exactly how it went down (this is the street were talking about ). I did state in my post that he was starting to really get busy on me in 4th gear. If I had shifted into 5th it would have certainly been mass murder the way he started pulling me through my 4th gear. Car is a pure bolt-on car (stock heads & stock cam), but its definitely no slouch.
FYI:
I just found a nice video from motorweek and they show the CTS-V 09' running a 12.7 @ 115mph (I realize the car is probably faster), but this should provide a real world translation of a drivers capability, in this car. I don't have the MPH to match this car, but I certainly have the ET to match what motortrend produced. Capn smokey, just something to consider.....
2009' CTS-V
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyKeN...eature=related
My car has dyno'd as high as 330 rwhp & 350 rwtq, but that was only once. It has dyno'd multiple times in the 325 rwhp / 345 rwtq range. I generally go with the latter number as accurate. Those numbers are attained from a pure bolt-on LT1, 6spd car with 4:11's (MOSER), 1.6 RR's and every imaginable bolt-on possible on a LT1 car. The ET in my sig is old, I'm pretty sure the car is well capable of 12.40 ish @ 110/111 the way it sits right now. I believe his CTS-V was an automatic (it shifted very clean).
My last recorded 1/8 mile in this car was 8.011 @ 86.79 mph. I know thats not fast enough to equate to a CTS-V in the quarter, but it should equate to the race I had with the V from 10mph to 90 ish...
Capn smokey,
Believe what you want, but that is exactly how it went down (this is the street were talking about ). I did state in my post that he was starting to really get busy on me in 4th gear. If I had shifted into 5th it would have certainly been mass murder the way he started pulling me through my 4th gear. Car is a pure bolt-on car (stock heads & stock cam), but its definitely no slouch.
FYI:
I just found a nice video from motorweek and they show the CTS-V 09' running a 12.7 @ 115mph (I realize the car is probably faster), but this should provide a real world translation of a drivers capability, in this car. I don't have the MPH to match this car, but I certainly have the ET to match what motortrend produced. Capn smokey, just something to consider.....
2009' CTS-V
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyKeN...eature=related
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03-07-2009, 05:43 PM
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LOL, I wondered what had happened to my response to the thread. I have no trouble believing the story. I have raced plenty of people with wicked fast cars that didn't perform as well on the street as they did on paper. Anything can happen.
03-07-2009, 11:57 PM
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Nice story, totally believable because of the V's heft. I think I've seen where the V was tested against an M5 and the cadi only trapped around 113. The M5 was 115, but the V et'd a few tenths better; probably was an auto like you raced.
03-08-2009, 12:56 PM
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I would not dis-agree that its hard to believe, but if you start doing some of the MATH, it seems plausible. 4400 lbs of 09' V, making 450 ish rhwp & 430 ish rwtq (automatic). My car making it's best number ever 330 rwhp & 350 rwhp (ish) street weight of 3470 (aproximation). The numbers actually start to show a decent street race to about 100 / 110 mph. After 110 + its clearly a CTS-V 09' for the win, and it was very apparent in the top of my 4th gear he was going to start pulling a train on me 
What kind of numbers does your V run. Does your car run faster than the 09' V ? Does your V run faster than 8.0's @ 87 in the 1/8 ?
PS: props on the sic lookin pic of your BLACK V
What kind of numbers does your V run. Does your car run faster than the 09' V ? Does your V run faster than 8.0's @ 87 in the 1/8 ?
PS: props on the sic lookin pic of your BLACK V
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03-08-2009, 01:18 PM
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Sounds dead on. Most nothing can compare to the lt1's Tourqe. And that motor (i got scolded for this last time) doesnt start making most of its power until "interstate speeds"... Should have caught him flat footed and drug him out!
03-08-2009, 05:13 PM
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I remember when the LT1 was viewed as a low torque - peaky motor compared to the TPI vettes.
I think the LSA is probably higher torque, at lower rpm, but probably not usable.
There also seems to be quite a variation between LSA dynos. Everything from 430-470. It seems 450 is about the norm.
I remember when the LT1 was viewed as a low torque - peaky motor compared to the TPI vettes.
I think the LSA is probably higher torque, at lower rpm, but probably not usable.
There also seems to be quite a variation between LSA dynos. Everything from 430-470. It seems 450 is about the norm.
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03-09-2009, 12:17 AM
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But who the **** races from 2000rpm when you LT1 guys are at almost peak torque? Torque accelerates you off the line but HP wins especially on a roll race.