lemons12

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Really, thats odd.. All my points are pretty valid.

Again.. Out of all the races I have seen from a roll.. The C5 has lost EVERY time.. How can you say with equal drivers if they are both A4s? Hell, I even had traction problems when I raced one of the C5s.. We went from a 20 roll, he jumped out every race by about 1/2 car.. By 65mph I stopped his pull and passed him. By the time we hit 110mph or so I had put about 1 1/2 lengths on him and was still pulling.. That is one of many that I have raced. Would you like to explain this? I can post up PLENTY more races that I have been in/experienced/seen with fbodys against vettes and fbody coming out on top every time..

No ****, the 05/06s run that? You think thats maybe because we have been talking about 6.0s this whole time? Again, you boys aren't too quick are you.

Even if they only do 108mph... Or hell, lets just say 107mph (which it on average is usually faster) it is STILL trapping faster than your average ls1 vette.. Giving it advantage as the speed gets higher. They trap about the same, sometimes less in the 1/8 miles.. My god, what does this mean? It means that as the speeds increase from 85mph or so to 110 mph the GTO is gaining speed faster than the corvette/fbody.

Maybe that broke it down enough, if not.. Owell.. Keep believing whatever you want.

stunna p

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maybe your floor mat was under the pedal!

ls1ss_2000

One of the cars is 2-300lbs lighter depending. And to boot, better aerodynamically. Use your head.

If both of you were stock the race didn't happen.

That's a pretty ridiculous claim. Corvette's must be very unlucky in your parts...

I don't even think you know what you're talking about let alone us guys. What were saying is, if an A4 LS2 Goat is 3-4mph faster than a stock A4 C5 like you say it is than that would make the auto LS2 Goats trap at about 109-110mph in stock form. That's what the LS2 M6 Goat's trap on their very best runs. Try 104-106 mph realistically for the auto version.

Have you actually seen what C5 vette's run? They typically trap around 107-109 in M6 form...heck, Road & Track wen't 109 in a freakin' vert, but that's magazine racing so I won't go there. A4's in the 104-106 range all day in good weather.

What you fail to realize is that 40-45-ish rwhp advantage the Goat has over the LS1 C5 is somewhat offset by 400-500lbs weight my friend. Add superior aerodynamics on top of that and an LS2 GTO doesn't pull away like you think it does.


Anyways, that's all the breakin' it down I can do for you guy. Hope you understood.

lemons12

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[QUOTE]And one makes more power.. The weight doesn't play as a big of role from a 40mph roll.
Really? Thats odd... I could have swore we raced on two different occasions with 4-5 races each time because he wasn't happy with it? What about the others I raced when I had that car? Or hell, even the one I beat in my old DD Z28? Care to tell that to all my friends that have beat them also? That is kind of a bold statement to make.. I know my cars, and I street race quite often. Where is all your first hand experience? Your quoting ******* magazine times and I am giving real world scenarios. Good job.

Again... I am not an internet/dyno/number/ricer/etc etc etc racer.
No, never man... I don't even know what a C5 is come to think about it.
And what you don't seem to realize is a 6.0 GTO will walk an ls1 every single time, regardless of what you think or wish would happen. Maybe get out and actually run a few cars? Find out what happens at the track and on the street. Your internet numbers and bench racing don't mean **** in the real world.

Irunelevens

What's the non-limited topspeed of an LS2 GTO?

916 BREDWNR

[QUOTE=lemons12;12673404]Meh. ls1ss as well as several of our other Team F-Body members can be found @ SRP religiously. I can vouch for that.

lemons12

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[QUOTE=916 BREDWNR;12673489]You would think he would have a better idea then?

916 BREDWNR

I don't see what the big fuss is about. Your saying a car with 40-50 more horsepower will easily pull away from a car that weighs 500lbs less.

lemons12

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I'm not "saying" it will.... It will.

916 BREDWNR

Just for ****'z n giggles.


Intake/Cat-back C5 FRC vs Intake/Cat-back LS2 GTO roll race

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...-C5-4_49770.ht

Intake/Cat-back C5 FRC vs Intake/Cat-back LS2 GTO roll race 2

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...-C5-3_49701.ht

LS2 GTO w/ intake vs. C5 w/ dual cut-outs Dig race

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/M...GTO_140502.htm

lemons12

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Awesome internet races man..


EDIT:::: Yea.. Hooray for an amazing driver.. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/P...ark_120287.htm

Like I said.. Real world scenarios with people who can drive.. Ls2 GTO wins.

necrocannibal

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GTOs are really hard to launch and most people cant do it right to get good times. The ones that can have gone 12s in the stock.

TonyGXP

if you guys pay any attention at the track when you go (probably half the problem, everyone goes, but they rarely ever "really" do go, instead they go off of friend's first hand account of the night lol) you would see time in and out LS2 GTO's & C5's & C6's and LS1 F-Body's, TBSS' etc. run .5 slower or worse..
running against the clock is a gauge, in the real world two cars racing of similar stock 1/4 times/mph can be a different outcome everytime.. this argument is funny, old and beat to death, but still quite funny..

have seen 6.0 GTO's run high 13's auto, stick, good 60' bad 60', GOD only knows what goes on in these cars.. C5's mid 13's, C6's low 13's, LS1's high 13's, many of these with decent 60' and you scratch your head and then you run.. if you're lucky enough to remember to ask these guys in the lanes wtf happened, most times you get "trans not shiftin" "first time at the track" "it's just slow" whatever.. using the time/mph from 1/4 runs on different days in different DA, in different states, etc is silly.. and this is at the fastest track in the universe "Atco" u know the 1298' long, downhill, mineshaft with -25,678'DA

lemons12

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If anything is the truth in that post, this is!

necrocannibal

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I was at the track one day talking to an 05 GTO owner who couldnt run better than high 13s @ 102 mph. He was asking how to fix it from guys around the staging lanes and after talking with everyone and a few practice runs he ran a 13.0 @ 106 mph. The cars are just hard to drive.

87turbo2

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plenty of c5s putting up decent times stock
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/perf...imes-list.html

necrocannibal

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LS1 Vettes and f bodies and LS2 GTOs are drivers races, I dont know why people cant grasp that.

Deuuuce

I agree. A lot DON'T cut 1.9 60fts and after that if they are heat soaked and/or don't shift well, it's still a bad run vs. potential.

ls1ss_2000

This wasn't what our debate was about. Yes you have guys that run 5 tenths, heck a full second slower than the car is capable of doing. You have bad drivers on every track. But then you have a good number of guys like myself that can actually drive! Not everyone is impaired at the drag strip. Some of us are consistent and can run a car to it's full potential. I'm on my 9th F-body, 3rd LS1. All three were completely stock when I bought them and I have never ran slower than 13.5 here at sea level. My times were usually in the 13.2-13.5 range on a consistent basis which qualifies for, in my opinion what you "should" see out of a stock car. I have seen plenty C5 6-spd and A4vettes run at the track since 1997 to know what they "should" do, and enough 05/06 A4 GTO's to know what they are capable of. And my argument was that with two competent drivers behind the wheel of both and both cars driven to their fullest potential it is going to be a VERY close race.

ls1ss_2000

So are vettes. They both have IRS.

I had been looking for this list for a long time and forgot where I saw it at. Technically the C5 owns the record for the quickest/fastest factory-stock LS1-powered vehicle.