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Old 07-17-2012, 11:21 AM
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Default Ls1 Trans Am vs. 1979 Firebird

Did a few runs with friend a little while ago. Thought I would share with you.

His mods are Ls6 intake, Ported 853 heads, Ms3 cam, long tubes, cut-out, 4000 stall, A3, 3.42 gears, and the last time it was tuned was when it was a bolt only car

My mods are 355 SBC, Heads, cam, intake, long tubes, 3600 stall, A3, and stock 2.73 gears

The first 3 runs were 40-45 to 125-130
The last 2 were 10-15 to... well it doesn't even matter since they were not even close

Yes, it looks like I'm getting ready to drop a deuce in the video. I didn't have my sunglasses and it was real bright out
http://youtu.be/mwM9bxOZpkk
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Good runs, that looked like a blast (minus the end).

Your car looks like it runs strong, and track or dyno numbers for it?
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Originally Posted by ScreaminRedZ
Good runs, that looked like a blast (minus the end).

Your car looks like it runs strong, and track or dyno numbers for it?
Thanks! It's always good fun. It was just for expired plates, no big deal

The car made 368rwhp/342rwtq (mustang dyno) in second gear on a 100 degree day. So I've been told they might be a little low. No track times because of the rear end gears and tires basically making the car **** it pants til I get rolling and close to the powerband

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you have a very strong running firebird..u need slick and do a dig run..and gears
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Love the late '70 cars! But damn, your car pulls nice! Good runs and daytime vids ftw!
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Strong running Firebird. Yes, a nice gear and tire would do the car a lot of justice.

I always wonder, what's the point in the whole "filmed in Mexico" bit/BS all the time?
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you HAVE to get either 3:42's or 3:73's.
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Nice runs!
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Originally Posted by R6cowboy
Strong running Firebird. Yes, a nice gear and tire would do the car a lot of justice.
I always wonder, what's the point in the whole "filmed in Mexico" bit/BS all the time?
That is the plan
So it can't be used as incriminating evidence
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you HAVE to get either 3:42's or 3:73's.
3.73's WILL be back there... with a 275 tire... and some nitrous
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you have a very strong running firebird..u need slick and do a dig run..and gears
It will happen. Just have all kinds of other things that are claiming my funds right now.
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awesome runs. thanks for the vids!
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Originally Posted by D79
That is the plan
So it can't be used as incriminating evidence

3.73's WILL be back there... with a 275 tire... and some nitrous

It will happen. Just have all kinds of other things that are claiming my funds right now.
i had a built 350 in an old truck once. it had 2:73's. when i swithced to 3:73's no word of a lie it dropped at least a full second in the 1\4.
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have any more pics of the car?
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Originally Posted by big hammer
i had a built 350 in an old truck once. it had 2:73's. when i swithced to 3:73's no word of a lie it dropped at least a full second in the 1\4.
I'll keep my fingers crossed. I know it will really wake the car up and not fall on its face after a gear change
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have any more pics of the car?
These are older (when it was a v6) and it doesn't look this good anymore







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awesome runs. thanks for the vids!
Thanks everyone!
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nice looking 2nd gen
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nice daytime vids. cool car, i have a soft spot for 2nd gen pontiacs, esp the body style like yours.

so your buddy has all that work and is running the stock tune? wtf?
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Like the color too.
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Hmm. Let's see if my ears still work after a 10 year drought of not working on a SBC: 10 to 1 compression, 238 duration .550" flat tappet either hydraulic or a tight lashed solid cam on a 110 LSA, roller rockers, 12 deg. initial timing. Headers aren't 'tinging' like Hookers and the flange and bends look like my old headers so they Summit headers? 2 chamber 3" flowmaster?

What kind of heads to pull that kinda power? Dart?

Thing runs great btw! Having gone from 2.73 gears to 3.42 in my '78 Z28 I can attest to the huge seat-of-pants increase in power you will see. Should be enough to keep the LS1 from coming around you. Oh yeah, I'd pick up a base model V6 manual brakes master cylinder if I were you, they worked great even with the bigger '81 disk brakes I put on mine. Awesome pedal feel with totally daily driverable pedal effort.
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Originally Posted by D79
3.73's WILL be back there... with a 275 tire... and some nitrous
Make it a drag radial when you throw some tires on there
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Originally Posted by big hammer
nice looking 2nd gen
It's not that nice in person, but thanks man
Originally Posted by s346k
nice daytime vids. cool car, i have a soft spot for 2nd gen pontiacs, esp the body style like yours.
Thanks, I like videos where you can actually see what is going on
so your buddy has all that work and is running the stock tune? wtf?
I guess I should say it's not a stock tune. It was last tuned when it was a bolt on and M6 car.
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Hmm. Let's see if my ears still work after a 10 year drought of not working on a SBC: 10 to 1 compression, 238 duration .550" flat tappet either hydraulic or a tight lashed solid cam on a 110 LSA, roller rockers, 12 deg. initial timing. Headers aren't 'tinging' like Hookers and the flange and bends look like my old headers so they Summit headers? 2 chamber 3" flowmaster?

What kind of heads to pull that kinda power? Dart?

Thing runs great btw! Having gone from 2.73 gears to 3.42 in my '78 Z28 I can attest to the huge seat-of-pants increase in power you will see. Should be enough to keep the LS1 from coming around you. Oh yeah, I'd pick up a base model V6 manual brakes master cylinder if I were you, they worked great even with the bigger '81 disk brakes I put on mine. Awesome pedal feel with totally daily driverable pedal effort.
Very, VERY close. I am impressed you could pick that up from the video. Compression is 10.5:1. The cam is a solid roller with the lash at .016/.018, 236/242 @.050 .564/.570 lift and then I put 1.6 roller rockers on. The LSA is 110. Timing is locked out at 35 degrees. Headers I actually got for free. They are a set of hedman headers. Exhaust is 3 inch x pipe with 3 inch Magnaflow bullets and dumped at the axle. The heads are older 195cc trick flows with 64cc combustion chambers.

I really can't wait to rebuild the rear end and make the car MUCH more fun. My first gear runs up to about 60-65 mph, and second gear is good to 120-130 mph, third gear... well I know what the math says but I am never going to find out. I hope the gear change will help keep the cars momentum going.

This car was actually a v6 but it does have power brakes. How much weight do you think it would save? I am also ditching the power steering for a manual steering rack.
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Originally Posted by D79

His mods are Ls6 intake, Ported 853 heads, Ms3 cam, long tubes, cut-out, 4000 stall, A3, 3.42 gears, and no tune
Ported heads, donkey dick cam, headers, intake, and no mention of injectors on a bolt on tune?

He's lucky the damn car is still running. Tell him to stop dicking around and get injectors and a tune. I bet he is running out of fuel by 4800rpm.


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