2012 SRT8 392 Charger vs First Gen CTS-V with Headers only
12-23-2016, 12:46 AM
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^ This.
Thats because V1s can't 60 at the track to save their lives. Massive wheel hop and differential breaks cause V1s to have **** times. A 115 car would pull one much much harder than that very slight walk that happened.
Seen a 392 living in the 13s... Not surprised at the outcome.
Thats because V1s can't 60 at the track to save their lives. Massive wheel hop and differential breaks cause V1s to have **** times. A 115 car would pull one much much harder than that very slight walk that happened.
Seen a 392 living in the 13s... Not surprised at the outcome.
12-23-2016, 02:44 AM
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GTO has the same issue, I couldn't launch mine at all. 392's trap around 110 average, the V traps around 107 average, which means that a V would need around a 112 trap speed to beat a 392 like that. I don't see 5mph being picked up from LT headers. Lets be honest, a lot of LS guys aren't exactly truthful on their mods. I would bet that the V had something else done to it.
12-23-2016, 08:19 AM
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GTO has the same issue, I couldn't launch mine at all. 392's trap around 110 average, the V traps around 107 average, which means that a V would need around a 112 trap speed to beat a 392 like that. I don't see 5mph being picked up from LT headers. Lets be honest, a lot of LS guys aren't exactly truthful on their mods. I would bet that the V had something else done to it.
Because lets be honest... not everyone drives the same and not every car runs the same on the street. And lets be even further honest by saying a lot of car guys aren't honest on their mods... Whether its LS, Mod motor, or Mopar guys.
All I know is what I see here...
All 392 of those cubic inches to lose to a goddamn 10 year old Cadillac.
12-23-2016, 01:08 PM
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GTO issue not as bad as V1. V1 didn't have anything extra. I love how every 392 across the board has to run exactly the same though but if one loses we have to compare magazine times and traps to say that someone else had hidden mods, etc.
Because lets be honest... not everyone drives the same and not every car runs the same on the street. And lets be even further honest by saying a lot of car guys aren't honest on their mods... Whether its LS, Mod motor, or Mopar guys.
All I know is what I see here...
All 392 of those cubic inches to lose to a goddamn 10 year old Cadillac.
Because lets be honest... not everyone drives the same and not every car runs the same on the street. And lets be even further honest by saying a lot of car guys aren't honest on their mods... Whether its LS, Mod motor, or Mopar guys.
All I know is what I see here...
All 392 of those cubic inches to lose to a goddamn 10 year old Cadillac.
I find it funny that every time a GM car beats something that it shouldn't, they have a factory freak that runs harder than any other documented car. Couldn't possibly be that they have one of the cheapest, easiest to mod engines on the planet and love to lie about mods.
I'm not talking magazine times either, if you go by magazine times, 392 chargers run 114MPH. I haven't heard of one trapping less than 110.
If you look at the V1 fast lists, 13.5-13.7 is common. Hell a guy has one with a blower on it that went 12.6@112. The fastest h/c/i on the list only went 12.7@112
Look through the thread.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/cadillac-...time-list.html
Judging by the times, a 5.7L charger runs around 13.6@102, which is more than likely what this was in the video.
And yes, a lot of car guys lie about their mods, but I find GM guys to be the absolute worst about it.
He was driving the hell out of it.
12-24-2016, 01:55 PM
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^ This.
Thats because V1s can't 60 at the track to save their lives. Massive wheel hop and differential breaks cause V1s to have **** times. A 115 car would pull one much much harder than that very slight walk that happened.
Seen a 392 living in the 13s... Not surprised at the outcome.
Thats because V1s can't 60 at the track to save their lives. Massive wheel hop and differential breaks cause V1s to have **** times. A 115 car would pull one much much harder than that very slight walk that happened.
Seen a 392 living in the 13s... Not surprised at the outcome.
12-25-2016, 05:33 AM
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Adding the camera guy to the dodge also tipped things, not to mention the I/E first year 392s had a bitch of a tune. I personally drove a challenger 392 I/e manual and ran 13.1 @ 110 bone stock.. you could feel the car fighting you (like heavy torque management).
12-25-2016, 09:26 AM
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GTO was pretty damned bad to launch. 245 series tires didn't help matters.
I find it funny that every time a GM car beats something that it shouldn't, they have a factory freak that runs harder than any other documented car. Couldn't possibly be that they have one of the cheapest, easiest to mod engines on the planet and love to lie about mods.
I'm not talking magazine times either, if you go by magazine times, 392 chargers run 114MPH. I haven't heard of one trapping less than 110.
If you look at the V1 fast lists, 13.5-13.7 is common. Hell a guy has one with a blower on it that went 12.6@112. The fastest h/c/i on the list only went 12.7@112
Look through the thread.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/cadillac-...time-list.html
Judging by the times, a 5.7L charger runs around 13.6@102, which is more than likely what this was in the video.
And yes, a lot of car guys lie about their mods, but I find GM guys to be the absolute worst about it.
He was driving the hell out of it.
I find it funny that every time a GM car beats something that it shouldn't, they have a factory freak that runs harder than any other documented car. Couldn't possibly be that they have one of the cheapest, easiest to mod engines on the planet and love to lie about mods.
I'm not talking magazine times either, if you go by magazine times, 392 chargers run 114MPH. I haven't heard of one trapping less than 110.
If you look at the V1 fast lists, 13.5-13.7 is common. Hell a guy has one with a blower on it that went 12.6@112. The fastest h/c/i on the list only went 12.7@112
Look through the thread.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/cadillac-...time-list.html
Judging by the times, a 5.7L charger runs around 13.6@102, which is more than likely what this was in the video.
And yes, a lot of car guys lie about their mods, but I find GM guys to be the absolute worst about it.
He was driving the hell out of it.
I've run faster than 12.7 @ 112 h\c with a **** 60 and I'm not on the list. Haven't seen 392s trap 114 in person. Just is what it is. I said it plain as day, V1 track times suck dick because all these guys with h\c and blowers, and all this ****... and no rear & tire worth talking about. I've snapped countless things in the rear end before I went with a Ford Racing 8.8. The stickier the road and tire, the more the hop... which is why at the track, V1 guys normally get towed home. LOL
Has nothing to do with a factory freak. Has to do with false advertisement from the mopar camp in general. I don't drink the koolaid that says the new 5.7s run mid\low 13s when I see them consistently living in the 14.5-14.7 range.
It was a 392. Wasn't a 5.7...
Camera guy in dodge doesn't matter since V1 had his brother in the car as well, who is over 200+lbs.
12-25-2016, 01:00 PM
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5.7s run 14s. SRTs run 13s for the most part, from what I've seen.
I've run faster than 12.7 @ 112 h\c with a **** 60 and I'm not on the list. Haven't seen 392s trap 114 in person. Just is what it is. I said it plain as day, V1 track times suck dick because all these guys with h\c and blowers, and all this ****... and no rear & tire worth talking about. I've snapped countless things in the rear end before I went with a Ford Racing 8.8. The stickier the road and tire, the more the hop... which is why at the track, V1 guys normally get towed home. LOL
Has nothing to do with a factory freak. Has to do with false advertisement from the mopar camp in general. I don't drink the koolaid that says the new 5.7s run mid\low 13s when I see them consistently living in the 14.5-14.7 range.
It was a 392. Wasn't a 5.7...
Camera guy in dodge doesn't matter since V1 had his brother in the car as well, who is over 200+lbs.
I've run faster than 12.7 @ 112 h\c with a **** 60 and I'm not on the list. Haven't seen 392s trap 114 in person. Just is what it is. I said it plain as day, V1 track times suck dick because all these guys with h\c and blowers, and all this ****... and no rear & tire worth talking about. I've snapped countless things in the rear end before I went with a Ford Racing 8.8. The stickier the road and tire, the more the hop... which is why at the track, V1 guys normally get towed home. LOL
Has nothing to do with a factory freak. Has to do with false advertisement from the mopar camp in general. I don't drink the koolaid that says the new 5.7s run mid\low 13s when I see them consistently living in the 14.5-14.7 range.
It was a 392. Wasn't a 5.7...
Camera guy in dodge doesn't matter since V1 had his brother in the car as well, who is over 200+lbs.
You're clearly biased against mopar, look anywhere on the internet and you're going to find stock R/T chargers in the 13's. Track times would be bad with no traction, but the trap speeds wouldn't suffer that bad. Here is an old motor trend article from 05. The CTS-V ran a 13.1@110, which I feel like they sent a ringer in, either way it's one of the fastest hero times out there. A 6.1L 300C ran a 13.2@108.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/cadil...ar-comparison/
If a hero time V could barely beat a 6.1L, do you really think that a LT only would beat a 392 that handily? Cause I don't.
12-25-2016, 01:19 PM
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It's not false. I can't speak for the 14 model but I personally seen 15 models run in the 11s with just a tire in good conditions. Traps ~114.
A 14 a5 car should run low 12s with a tire and trap ~112 in good conditions
A 13 second run in any auto 392 car is a terrible launch and or super high DA
Any 392 on stock tires gonna be tough to get a good run
A 14 a5 car should run low 12s with a tire and trap ~112 in good conditions
A 13 second run in any auto 392 car is a terrible launch and or super high DA
Any 392 on stock tires gonna be tough to get a good run
12-25-2016, 01:51 PM
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Neighbor had a 2004 V1 with full Billy Boat exhaust + tune. Ran 13.10s with mph in the high 12s if traction was available. 392 Chargers are mid 12s with the older transmission. Still from a roll not surprised as the 3.73s in the V1 help the midrange.
12-25-2016, 09:33 PM
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First it wasn't a new SRT. And then the V1 had all sorts of hidden modifications... And then it wasn't an SRT at all... it was a 5.7. And then... and then, and then and then.
V1 > 392
Ouch. Facts supported by video no less. Lot of magazine racing with links to motortrend and **** going on in here... smh
All I know is... The 392 who dodged me lucked out if this is what a headers only V1 does to one. LOL
V1 > 392
Ouch. Facts supported by video no less. Lot of magazine racing with links to motortrend and **** going on in here... smh
All I know is... The 392 who dodged me lucked out if this is what a headers only V1 does to one. LOL
12-25-2016, 10:30 PM
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No magazine racing here. Haven't seen the older models run. But I guy who frequents my track went 11.77@116.5 with DR. HC air box mod. Air filter removed. Tazer. And some vp 109 in the tank. 15 Scat challenger a8. Within .2 and 2 mph of me all night same track. He ran a best of 11.98 when I was there and ran 11.80.
He runs 12.1-12.3 any given day mid summer heat with that setup
He runs 12.1-12.3 any given day mid summer heat with that setup
