Sexgen vs S550 local action
03-06-2017, 06:55 AM
#521
I said I would update so I am.
Best pass yesterday on pump 93:
1.669
7.27
97.32
11.30
121.65
I had a run or two with a hair better mph but the average 60ft was only 1.67 as usual. Unfortunately, again, the car wouldn't hold any timing and even at 20* total is was showing a ton of KR down the track. On the hit I can hear it so I know that part is real. I can't hear it all the way down though but I can feel the surging as the computer pulls the timing. The interior is very quiet since I am running cats and the stock exhaust. I think I would be able to hear any real KR. I looked back at some other pump gas runs from the past in similar weather and the car was holding another 5* of timing with no issues at a leaner AFR all the way down. I am going to have to tear into it again. Hopefully I can narrow it down quickly and attack the issue and get back at it. The car had 11.20's@122+ in it all day yesterday. I only got to make 5 passes and 4 of those were experimenting again. Anyway, it is what it is and I figured I would be a man of my word and post up even though the results were not good.
Best pass yesterday on pump 93:
1.669
7.27
97.32
11.30
121.65
I had a run or two with a hair better mph but the average 60ft was only 1.67 as usual. Unfortunately, again, the car wouldn't hold any timing and even at 20* total is was showing a ton of KR down the track. On the hit I can hear it so I know that part is real. I can't hear it all the way down though but I can feel the surging as the computer pulls the timing. The interior is very quiet since I am running cats and the stock exhaust. I think I would be able to hear any real KR. I looked back at some other pump gas runs from the past in similar weather and the car was holding another 5* of timing with no issues at a leaner AFR all the way down. I am going to have to tear into it again. Hopefully I can narrow it down quickly and attack the issue and get back at it. The car had 11.20's@122+ in it all day yesterday. I only got to make 5 passes and 4 of those were experimenting again. Anyway, it is what it is and I figured I would be a man of my word and post up even though the results were not good.
03-06-2017, 12:45 PM
#522
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I said I would update so I am.
Best pass yesterday on pump 93:
1.669
7.27
97.32
11.30
121.65
I had a run or two with a hair better mph but the average 60ft was only 1.67 as usual. Unfortunately, again, the car wouldn't hold any timing and even at 20* total is was showing a ton of KR down the track. On the hit I can hear it so I know that part is real. I can't hear it all the way down though but I can feel the surging as the computer pulls the timing. The interior is very quiet since I am running cats and the stock exhaust. I think I would be able to hear any real KR. I looked back at some other pump gas runs from the past in similar weather and the car was holding another 5* of timing with no issues at a leaner AFR all the way down. I am going to have to tear into it again. Hopefully I can narrow it down quickly and attack the issue and get back at it. The car had 11.20's@122+ in it all day yesterday. I only got to make 5 passes and 4 of those were experimenting again. Anyway, it is what it is and I figured I would be a man of my word and post up even though the results were not good.
Best pass yesterday on pump 93:
1.669
7.27
97.32
11.30
121.65
I had a run or two with a hair better mph but the average 60ft was only 1.67 as usual. Unfortunately, again, the car wouldn't hold any timing and even at 20* total is was showing a ton of KR down the track. On the hit I can hear it so I know that part is real. I can't hear it all the way down though but I can feel the surging as the computer pulls the timing. The interior is very quiet since I am running cats and the stock exhaust. I think I would be able to hear any real KR. I looked back at some other pump gas runs from the past in similar weather and the car was holding another 5* of timing with no issues at a leaner AFR all the way down. I am going to have to tear into it again. Hopefully I can narrow it down quickly and attack the issue and get back at it. The car had 11.20's@122+ in it all day yesterday. I only got to make 5 passes and 4 of those were experimenting again. Anyway, it is what it is and I figured I would be a man of my word and post up even though the results were not good.
GL dude!
03-06-2017, 03:39 PM
#524
I said I would update so I am.
Best pass yesterday on pump 93:
1.669
7.27
97.32
11.30
121.65
I had a run or two with a hair better mph but the average 60ft was only 1.67 as usual. Unfortunately, again, the car wouldn't hold any timing and even at 20* total is was showing a ton of KR down the track. On the hit I can hear it so I know that part is real. I can't hear it all the way down though but I can feel the surging as the computer pulls the timing. The interior is very quiet since I am running cats and the stock exhaust. I think I would be able to hear any real KR. I looked back at some other pump gas runs from the past in similar weather and the car was holding another 5* of timing with no issues at a leaner AFR all the way down. I am going to have to tear into it again. Hopefully I can narrow it down quickly and attack the issue and get back at it. The car had 11.20's@122+ in it all day yesterday. I only got to make 5 passes and 4 of those were experimenting again. Anyway, it is what it is and I figured I would be a man of my word and post up even though the results were not good.
Best pass yesterday on pump 93:
1.669
7.27
97.32
11.30
121.65
I had a run or two with a hair better mph but the average 60ft was only 1.67 as usual. Unfortunately, again, the car wouldn't hold any timing and even at 20* total is was showing a ton of KR down the track. On the hit I can hear it so I know that part is real. I can't hear it all the way down though but I can feel the surging as the computer pulls the timing. The interior is very quiet since I am running cats and the stock exhaust. I think I would be able to hear any real KR. I looked back at some other pump gas runs from the past in similar weather and the car was holding another 5* of timing with no issues at a leaner AFR all the way down. I am going to have to tear into it again. Hopefully I can narrow it down quickly and attack the issue and get back at it. The car had 11.20's@122+ in it all day yesterday. I only got to make 5 passes and 4 of those were experimenting again. Anyway, it is what it is and I figured I would be a man of my word and post up even though the results were not good.
03-06-2017, 03:40 PM
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03-06-2017, 05:29 PM
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I'm surprised how much of the s550 sales are actual GT models. I can see why ford dropped the v6 model as the ecoboost models were much more popular. I'm sure they are doing some more ecoboost options to keep cafe in check
03-06-2017, 06:25 PM
#527
Thanks guys, I will keep digging in to see what I can find. Of course back on my street tires today this dang car took what I threw at it with no issues. I swear this car and I are at odd's and it hates me. That is probably because it was way over priced and I bitch about it every day.
This is a nice car but if I didn't have to have back seats I would be driving my old shop 15' C7. We were already almost in the 10's on pump with a couple bolt ons almost two years ago. Heck, half the tuning stuff I really needed didn't even exist back then. I would have paid a grand less for that car already modded than I did for this Camaro and I got a pretty good deal considering there were no sales at the time. I walked out for under sticker. GM did up their game with this car by leaps and bounds over the 5th Gen but almost 50K is ridiculous. You guys wonder why people aren't smashing these things like I am, warrantee. Once the normal guys buys one of these things there is no mod money or money to eat what you break. This car turned most guys into Corvette owners. But most Corvette owners now a days mod their crap more than the Camaro guys do. Then you have that any new GM platform has the growing year, hardly do they get anything right in the first year of a platform change. This car was bought for the sole purpose of product development and perfecting my LT1 tuning skills. If not for that purpose alone I would have left it at the dealership. That I have gotten it to go kind of quick is just a bonus. It is still by no means fast. Actually, it probably won't ever be fast. It will be kind of quick though thanks to the A8. I can't believe I just thanked an automatic transmission. But this is just my opinion.
This is a nice car but if I didn't have to have back seats I would be driving my old shop 15' C7. We were already almost in the 10's on pump with a couple bolt ons almost two years ago. Heck, half the tuning stuff I really needed didn't even exist back then. I would have paid a grand less for that car already modded than I did for this Camaro and I got a pretty good deal considering there were no sales at the time. I walked out for under sticker. GM did up their game with this car by leaps and bounds over the 5th Gen but almost 50K is ridiculous. You guys wonder why people aren't smashing these things like I am, warrantee. Once the normal guys buys one of these things there is no mod money or money to eat what you break. This car turned most guys into Corvette owners. But most Corvette owners now a days mod their crap more than the Camaro guys do. Then you have that any new GM platform has the growing year, hardly do they get anything right in the first year of a platform change. This car was bought for the sole purpose of product development and perfecting my LT1 tuning skills. If not for that purpose alone I would have left it at the dealership. That I have gotten it to go kind of quick is just a bonus. It is still by no means fast. Actually, it probably won't ever be fast. It will be kind of quick though thanks to the A8. I can't believe I just thanked an automatic transmission. But this is just my opinion.
03-06-2017, 06:29 PM
#528
03-06-2017, 07:57 PM
#530
Yep, lighter, faster, better looking, but no back seat. Don't get me wrong, the 6G is a great car. Maybe to great. I guess it isn't over priced for what you get but at the end of the day it is labeled a Camaro. GM way crossed the line of Muscle car and Sports car. They didn't blur it, they erased it. God bless them for doing it but they out priced their market of median income younger guys that want to build something and make it their own and make it stupid fast. Maybe they have some little kids they need to get around as well. Now you get older guys like me starting to hit their 40's with two full time jobs a wife and a couple kids that want a more refined car and can't afford a V but don't need a giant cam or dual 3" exhaust just to hear the pipes ring. Any mods, even a tune will void the warrantee and cause the wife to flip her lid if you break something. So you get the rep in the racing forums the 6G has gotten so far. Kind of sucks for such a fantastic car and lineage.
03-06-2017, 08:20 PM
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I sure wish the track event was a month later. I'm going to be there, but I can't race a coyote that won't shift. My turbo simply needs more time. If , by some miracle the turbo is in hard running shape I will run it for a mph run. See how many mph a 5 psi modular can run. I'm thinking 13.0 @ 140 mph
03-06-2017, 08:23 PM
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6G backseat a hair smaller than 5G backseats but think S550 and Challenger hold a bit of an advantage in backseat room.
That being said, I've owned a s197 for 2 years and have used the backseat maybe 2-3 times. All for my nieces.
c7 seems better
That being said, I've owned a s197 for 2 years and have used the backseat maybe 2-3 times. All for my nieces.
c7 seems better
03-07-2017, 01:08 AM
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Damn...all this bagging on the 6G price, yet I see them for mid $30s everywhere..fairly cheap if you ask me. I remember paying $28k for a WS6 Formula new back in '99, and the 6G is a second faster, better on gas, much nicer interior, pretty much better in every way...for only $7-8k more...that's a bargain, and not counting 18 years of inflation.
I don't see what everyone is bitching about on the cost....
Especially considering Ford is trying to hock GT350s for $70k+
I don't see what everyone is bitching about on the cost....
Especially considering Ford is trying to hock GT350s for $70k+
03-07-2017, 04:26 AM
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Damn...all this bagging on the 6G price, yet I see them for mid $30s everywhere..fairly cheap if you ask me. I remember paying $28k for a WS6 Formula new back in '99, and the 6G is a second faster, better on gas, much nicer interior, pretty much better in every way...for only $7-8k more...that's a bargain, and not counting 18 years of inflation.
I don't see what everyone is bitching about on the cost....
Especially considering Ford is trying to hock GT350s for $70k+
I don't see what everyone is bitching about on the cost....
Especially considering Ford is trying to hock GT350s for $70k+
03-07-2017, 09:02 AM
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I sure wish the track event was a month later. I'm going to be there, but I can't race a coyote that won't shift. My turbo simply needs more time. If , by some miracle the turbo is in hard running shape I will run it for a mph run. See how many mph a 5 psi modular can run. I'm thinking 13.0 @ 140 mph
Damn...all this bagging on the 6G price, yet I see them for mid $30s everywhere..fairly cheap if you ask me. I remember paying $28k for a WS6 Formula new back in '99, and the 6G is a second faster, better on gas, much nicer interior, pretty much better in every way...for only $7-8k more...that's a bargain, and not counting 18 years of inflation.
I don't see what everyone is bitching about on the cost....
Especially considering Ford is trying to hock GT350s for $70k+
I don't see what everyone is bitching about on the cost....
Especially considering Ford is trying to hock GT350s for $70k+
Mark up on gt350s are outta sight. When talking price points the furd guys never consider that tho.
I said I would update so I am.
Best pass yesterday on pump 93:
1.669
7.27
97.32
11.30
121.65
I had a run or two with a hair better mph but the average 60ft was only 1.67 as usual. Unfortunately, again, the car wouldn't hold any timing and even at 20* total is was showing a ton of KR down the track. On the hit I can hear it so I know that part is real. I can't hear it all the way down though but I can feel the surging as the computer pulls the timing. The interior is very quiet since I am running cats and the stock exhaust. I think I would be able to hear any real KR. I looked back at some other pump gas runs from the past in similar weather and the car was holding another 5* of timing with no issues at a leaner AFR all the way down. I am going to have to tear into it again. Hopefully I can narrow it down quickly and attack the issue and get back at it. The car had 11.20's@122+ in it all day yesterday. I only got to make 5 passes and 4 of those were experimenting again. Anyway, it is what it is and I figured I would be a man of my word and post up even though the results were not good.
Best pass yesterday on pump 93:
1.669
7.27
97.32
11.30
121.65
I had a run or two with a hair better mph but the average 60ft was only 1.67 as usual. Unfortunately, again, the car wouldn't hold any timing and even at 20* total is was showing a ton of KR down the track. On the hit I can hear it so I know that part is real. I can't hear it all the way down though but I can feel the surging as the computer pulls the timing. The interior is very quiet since I am running cats and the stock exhaust. I think I would be able to hear any real KR. I looked back at some other pump gas runs from the past in similar weather and the car was holding another 5* of timing with no issues at a leaner AFR all the way down. I am going to have to tear into it again. Hopefully I can narrow it down quickly and attack the issue and get back at it. The car had 11.20's@122+ in it all day yesterday. I only got to make 5 passes and 4 of those were experimenting again. Anyway, it is what it is and I figured I would be a man of my word and post up even though the results were not good.
Ls stuff will feel just as you described with a fuel filter that's not even to bad.
Thanks for continuing to share your progress.
03-07-2017, 09:30 AM
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Damn...all this bagging on the 6G price, yet I see them for mid $30s everywhere..fairly cheap if you ask me. I remember paying $28k for a WS6 Formula new back in '99, and the 6G is a second faster, better on gas, much nicer interior, pretty much better in every way...for only $7-8k more...that's a bargain, and not counting 18 years of inflation.
I don't see what everyone is bitching about on the cost....
Especially considering Ford is trying to hock GT350s for $70k+
I don't see what everyone is bitching about on the cost....
Especially considering Ford is trying to hock GT350s for $70k+
03-07-2017, 10:02 AM
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Goes both ways. The gt350 is outrageously overpriced (smh), On the other hand a fully loaded 2ss coupe fifty with mrc and sunroof, navi etc will be around 48k in manual and almost 50k for an A8. That is ridiculous for a damn Camaro and I own one. Yes maybe a base 1ss manual with absolutely zero options can be found for 33-34k but I would buy a base 5.0 and add a blower (maybe 4k more), OR a used C7 Z51.
I agree that gt350 dealer markups are sad. Anybody paying over msrp is an idiot though so I don't know what to tell them.
03-07-2017, 10:21 AM
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Goes both ways. The gt350 is outrageously overpriced (smh), On the other hand a fully loaded 2ss coupe fifty with mrc and sunroof, navi etc will be around 48k in manual and almost 50k for an A8. That is ridiculous for a damn Camaro and I own one. Yes maybe a base 1ss manual with absolutely zero options can be found for 33-34k but I would buy a base 5.0 and add a blower (maybe 4k more), OR a used C7 Z51.
I got 20% off plus more
