2015 1le cam only e85 vs s550 5.0 fbo shelby manifold e85
03-03-2017, 02:38 PM
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Not the same.
Tune on 5.0 is similar to mild cam swap. Adjustment of both intake and exhaust valve Extended rpm range. Sweet cause it gains more initially not sweet cuz gain less from actual swap and pay twice as much.
All in all these cars are similarly modded. As expected if the ls3 is proper. It will have far more hp and tq than any bolt on coyote. Good vid.
Tune on 5.0 is similar to mild cam swap. Adjustment of both intake and exhaust valve Extended rpm range. Sweet cause it gains more initially not sweet cuz gain less from actual swap and pay twice as much.
All in all these cars are similarly modded. As expected if the ls3 is proper. It will have far more hp and tq than any bolt on coyote. Good vid.
03-03-2017, 02:39 PM
#82
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No I didn't say that. When it's 40 bucks a gallon and heavily oxygenated for the purpose of adding more power. It's a power adder.
Not mad at anything. Not the same as the valve timing available to the lt1. The timing can be advanced that's it. Which does nothing to bolt on car. Coyote full adjustment. Hence more gains from tune. Less from actual swap. No hate just facts.
Not mad at anything. Not the same as the valve timing available to the lt1. The timing can be advanced that's it. Which does nothing to bolt on car. Coyote full adjustment. Hence more gains from tune. Less from actual swap. No hate just facts.
GM VVT comes up short according to you and your mad at superior forms of VVT.... got it.
03-03-2017, 02:40 PM
#83
Oh its cheaper, no argument there. If you do the work yourself, the difference isn't as much as everyone thinks it is. I can get a comp cam set for $1500 or I can get Intake cams for $825 that give 20whp and don't require any other mods. Your car runs good, good runs, been to the track yet?
03-03-2017, 02:40 PM
#84
You know GM guys are really whiny as **** when the complain that Ford has a superior design and it's not fair how much can be changed with just a tune. They feel opening the motor and replacing internal bits and pieces is somehow the same thing.
No, advantage to Ford for building a motor with those capabilities.
No, advantage to Ford for building a motor with those capabilities.
03-03-2017, 02:46 PM
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In my part of the woods way more furds eat themselves. I even fixed my notch. It ate itself. Didn't yours eat itself to? Corey had one eat itself also.
Not the same. FTW is heavily oxygenated. FTW is a power adder
Tune on 5.0 is similar to mild cam swap. Adjustment of both intake and exhaust valve Extended rpm range. Sweet cause it gains more initially not sweet cuz gain less from actual swap and pay twice as much.
All in all these cars are similarly modded. As expected if the ls3 is proper. It will have far more hp and tq than any bolt on coyote. Good vid.
Tune on 5.0 is similar to mild cam swap. Adjustment of both intake and exhaust valve Extended rpm range. Sweet cause it gains more initially not sweet cuz gain less from actual swap and pay twice as much.
All in all these cars are similarly modded. As expected if the ls3 is proper. It will have far more hp and tq than any bolt on coyote. Good vid.
Vvt love here. But if you adjust it then it's like a cam swap. Be no different than changing the cam timing on a non vvt engine.
03-03-2017, 02:57 PM
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Well i suppose if the other fuels are heavily oxygenated then yes they are a power adder to. For sure not a common fuel.
Ok.....so they need help to stay alive. All you had to say.
In my part of the woods way more furds eat themselves. I even fixed my notch. It ate itself. Didn't yours eat itself to? Corey had one eat itself also.
Well....actually there are drop in cams that need nothing other than a cam.
Yup....one would think the way these guys cry about rockers that they would be against adjusting anything that touches oil. They must be biased.
You are a hillary supporter so they can have you.
Vvt love here. But if you adjust it then it's like a cam swap. Be no different than changing the cam timing on a non vvt engine.
Ok.....so they need help to stay alive. All you had to say.
In my part of the woods way more furds eat themselves. I even fixed my notch. It ate itself. Didn't yours eat itself to? Corey had one eat itself also.
Well....actually there are drop in cams that need nothing other than a cam.
Yup....one would think the way these guys cry about rockers that they would be against adjusting anything that touches oil. They must be biased.
You are a hillary supporter so they can have you.
Vvt love here. But if you adjust it then it's like a cam swap. Be no different than changing the cam timing on a non vvt engine.
03-03-2017, 02:57 PM
#92
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Well i suppose if the other fuels are heavily oxygenated then yes they are a power adder to. For sure not a common fuel.
Where is the line?
Ok.....so they need help to stay alive. All you had to say.
Nope, see the parameters I stated above.
In my part of the woods way more furds eat themselves. I even fixed my notch. It ate itself. Didn't yours eat itself to? Corey had one eat itself also.
Nope. I got my 4.6 already hurt from a lean event...wasn't the motor's fault. It was user error, it didn't eat its self like a dropped valve or broken OPG.
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Vvt love here. But if you adjust it then it's like a cam swap. Be no different than changing the cam timing on a non vvt engine.
Where is the line?
Ok.....so they need help to stay alive. All you had to say.
Nope, see the parameters I stated above.
In my part of the woods way more furds eat themselves. I even fixed my notch. It ate itself. Didn't yours eat itself to? Corey had one eat itself also.
Nope. I got my 4.6 already hurt from a lean event...wasn't the motor's fault. It was user error, it didn't eat its self like a dropped valve or broken OPG.
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Vvt love here. But if you adjust it then it's like a cam swap. Be no different than changing the cam timing on a non vvt engine.
You still gonna be mad at Ford VVT when GM puts out a DOHC V8 that can do the same?
03-03-2017, 03:24 PM
#95
Yes the coyote design in respect to gaining more from a tune is superior. But the trade off is less total gains from actual cam swap. More expense. And less total power output NA. Pros and cons. Not sure I'd be mad about that. Both are good attributes
No if and when GM builds this dohc mods can be compared more apples to apples because the motors will be similar. Common sense. And if I had to guess it will outshine its ford counterparts. Like always
No if and when GM builds this dohc mods can be compared more apples to apples because the motors will be similar. Common sense. And if I had to guess it will outshine its ford counterparts. Like always
03-03-2017, 03:27 PM
#96
Edit: Also its 2 cams for 20hp and thats the same amount as your LS cam kit so you are wrong again. You really suck at trolling.
03-03-2017, 03:27 PM
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03-03-2017, 03:43 PM
#99
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I thought I heard a gargle then choke noise. lol
6300 rpm?
03-03-2017, 03:44 PM
#100
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So in theory my tuner should change there price scale according to this thread. It's 500 for the first tune when internal mods or power adders have been done and 250 if it's bolt on and better fuel so now he should charge 500 for just tuning FTW ???