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Old 12-23-2006, 08:27 PM
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Default LS1 Z28 vs 5.4L Roush II

Z28 - Headers, true duals, intake, M6

Roush - 5.4L from Navigator, stage 3 heads, Lightning intake, built low compression for boost later on, dyno'd 340/340 yesterday uncorrected. Same one that I posted a race with a while back. M5





Old 12-23-2006, 08:42 PM
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Who told you that is was a 5.4? The owner? Navigator heads are 4 valve. Lightning intakes are for 2 valves. They won't match up. If that was a true Rousch stage 2 all it was is a 4.6 with a lil eaton blower. 350hp at the crank. Good runs nonetheless. -Mark
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Nice ! good kill.
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Originally Posted by Bitemark46
Who told you that is was a 5.4? The owner? Navigator heads are 4 valve. Lightning intakes are for 2 valves. They won't match up. If that was a true Rousch stage 2 all it was is a 4.6 with a lil eaton blower. 350hp at the crank. Good runs nonetheless. -Mark
I know the owner, he's one of my friends, although I don't know ALL the specs of it. He put in a 5.4L block from a Navigator, I think the bottom end is stock. He put aftermarket heads on and the Lightning intake, had to fab some stuff I think. He showed me the dyno sheets and the video from the dyno when I went to his house to see it. That was done yesterday

And the Z28 is one my friends as well, not me driving
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I agree on the navi being 4v heads.
but what's a lightning intake? A 351 intake certainly isnt fitting a navi 5.4.
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i could be wrong but the roush 2 is n/a. stage 3 is supercharged.
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Originally Posted by Mach1Mustang
i could be wrong but the roush 2 is n/a. stage 3 is supercharged.
Thats what I thought too.
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Originally Posted by Mach1Mustang
i could be wrong but the roush 2 is n/a. stage 3 is supercharged.
You are correct.




My question is......why stick a navi motor in a roush to begin with? Even if things don't match up (which they dont'), why do it? No dig on your friend man, but the amount of work, and money to custom everything, and make ti all work, is not worth it...........an L motor with a cobra R hood..that might be worth it......but a navi motor??? HMMM.....
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Originally Posted by ponygt65
You are correct.

My question is......why stick a navi motor in a roush to begin with? Even if things don't match up (which they dont'), why do it? No dig on your friend man, but the amount of work, and money to custom everything, and make ti all work, is not worth it...........an L motor with a cobra R hood..that might be worth it......but a navi motor??? HMMM.....
Like I said, I'm really not 100% sure on the specs. Obviously everything matches up if it's running pretty well lol. You're right though, a lot of money went into that motor to barely beat a lid/exhaust LS1 lol. Granted it is low compression for boost later on.
And Stage 2 Roush is N/A, but his stock 4.6L is sitting in his garage, so it's irrelevant now.
I can get some more vids/pics if you guys want of his car
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Originally Posted by ZFan88
Like I said, I'm really not 100% sure on the specs. Obviously everything matches up if it's running pretty well lol. You're right though, a lot of money went into that motor to barely beat a lid/exhaust LS1 lol. Granted it is low compression for boost later on.
And Stage 2 Roush is N/A, but his stock 4.6L is sitting in his garage, so it's irrelevant now.
I can get some more vids/pics if you guys want of his car

I have a read tech articles on 5.4 swaps. Granted, I have not known anyone dumb enough to do it (no offense), but, according to the write ups.......it is not an easy thing to do..........But, to each his own.
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Originally Posted by ponygt65
I have a read tech articles on 5.4 swaps. Granted, I have not known anyone dumb enough to do it (no offense), but, according to the write ups.......it is not an easy thing to do..........But, to each his own.
No offense to me lol. He has an aftermarket k-member and had headers made or something like that. Those blocks are so big though, I can barely get 2 fingers between it and the side of the engine bay.
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The reason they are called "modular" motors is because the parts can swap around. So you can take a 5.4 block, and with relatively few complicatons, stick a set of 2v heads on it, and an intake manifold from a 2nd gen Lightning. The 2nd-gen Lightinings were 5.4s, btw. And you can also do a 4v head/intake swap on a 2v motor, relatively easy.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
The reason they are called "modular" motors is because the parts can swap around. So you can take a 5.4 block, and with relatively few complicatons, stick a set of 2v heads on it, and an intake manifold from a 2nd gen Lightning. The 2nd-gen Lightinings were 5.4s, btw. And you can also do a 4v head/intake swap on a 2v motor, relatively easy.
im not sure about this. what makes the interchangability of these parts different from a pushrod sbf? Hell, 302 heads go on 351s, and those are different blocks, but maybe I'm just not seeing your point; elaborate.

Someone still has to explain to me what a 2nd gen lightning intake is and how it is used without that loud thing that usually resides on top.
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They just decided to call it a "modular" motor... lol, I don't know, ask Ford. And I'm guessing that maybe he had 4v heads, and did a Lightning upper manifold maybe? His story has so many holes in it, it's hard to tell fact from BS.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
They just decided to call it a "modular" motor... lol, I don't know, ask Ford. And I'm guessing that maybe he had 4v heads, and did a Lightning upper manifold maybe? His story has so many holes in it, it's hard to tell fact from BS.
good point.
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Sorry, it's not my f'ing motor lol. I don't know much about Ford's stuff. Really though, who cares? It was a good race and his car is going to be sick on boost, even though it's a stang I'll still beat him with the spray!
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If i am not mistaken, the reason they are called modular motors is the parts interchangability(sp) between the 4.2 v-6, the 5.4 v-8 and the 6.8 v-10. I could very well be very wrong though!!
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I know it's been a while, but I finally got some pics since he's been using my computer lately. Here are some of the specs:
2004 Roush stage 2, Sonic Blue
Built 5.4L, VT Engines stage 2 heads, Stage 3 cams, Lightning Lower intake manifold cobra upper, BBK twin 65mm T/B, 30lb injectors,Aluminum flywheel, 373 gears, custom made long tubes, O/R H pipe and spintech's, Delmont tunable CAI, Centerforce duel friction clutch

Pics..











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Sexy...
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Yup, 340/340 to the wheels with a real nice torque curve. Only at 9.7:1 as he's planning an sts setup soon


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