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Old 05-22-2009, 12:38 PM
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so i have a poly kit sitting in my garage for all the suspension bushings on the car. this along with poly motor and tranny mounts were going to go in while the car was down for trany rebuild at some point this summer. how would fully poly everything make the handle for DD. stiffer, more jarry when hitting a bump for dampen better?
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It will make it a bit stiffer because the poly wont give like the rubber bushings do. You will notice more vibrations mainly from the engine and trans mounts.
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Poly in the front lower arms is a HUGELY bad idea. Don't do it, the rear bushing fails almost instantly and causes major issues.

Also I don't recommend poly trans mounts because they can transmit too much vibration and a lot of folks hate the result. However, I have no issue with the poly engine mounts.
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i have heard that doing the trans mount and motor mounts together cause the vibration to be not as bad.
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just do the motor mount and sell the rest to some other sucker. ive had them and went back to all rubber.
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Poly in the front lower arms is a HUGELY bad idea
Glad I read this, I was about to swap mine over, thanks for sharing Sam.

I've already swapped for poly in the PHR, rear LCA and sway bars, and I liked the change.
If shipping wasn't so expensive, I would of got aftermarket PHR and LCA for sure.
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I found this thread a while back when reading up on replacing suspension bushings. You might find it helpful.

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Originally Posted by Sam Strano
Poly in the front lower arms is a HUGELY bad idea. Don't do it, the rear bushing fails almost instantly and causes major issues.

Also I don't recommend poly trans mounts because they can transmit too much vibration and a lot of folks hate the result. However, I have no issue with the poly engine mounts.
If you have the E.S. trans mount with the preload humps just grind/cut them down flat, and you'll have virtually no added vibration. I've had mine like that for over 6yrs without a problem.
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i have also read that. probably what i am going to do.
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Damn wish some one would have told me this last week when I asked before I bought my master bushing set .... on a side note, any 1 wanna buy a new ES master bushing set lol....
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I have poly in the engine and transmission. It vibrates a little more, but it's not unpleasant. I had switched the over after my shifter started going batty everytime I would get on it. It's nice to have the shifter stay in place now
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when i had my poly trans with poly motor was way to much vibrations. I put the stock tranny mount back in and i love it
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When I first installed the poly tranny mount it was harsh, but it felt great, NO deflection.

Power was transferring more efficiently to the rear. After a few weeks it broke in and now you cant even tell it's poly vs. stock.

I recently installed a poly bushing in the TQ arm and that also made a real nice difference.

I went with Moog replacements for the rear LCAs, the feel like stock but dont deflect easily.
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Originally Posted by Iyyob
Damn wish some one would have told me this last week when I asked before I bought my master bushing set .... on a side note, any 1 wanna buy a new ES master bushing set lol....
Well, all isn't lost...

the useful parts would be (can't remember all of what is or isn't included in the kit):

Stabiliser bar-to-body "D" bushings.
Stabiliser bar endlinks
Motor mounts
Transmission mount (modified)
Torque Arm mount

Again, not all poly parts are bad because in those areas, you DO want the restricted movement.

As Sam noted before, control arms are definitely NOT okay to have Poly bushings, especially the front ones.
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so LCAs with poly bushings are bad to have?
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so LCAs with poly bushings are bad to have?
According to many poly makes them bind. Since rod ends are preferred, think about why.
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Originally Posted by 2000Z28M6
According to many poly makes them bind. Since rod ends are preferred, think about why.
But wouldnt rod ends in the front suspension add alot of road noise and the like?
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Originally Posted by Black02SLPSS
But wouldnt rod ends in the front suspension add alot of road noise and the like?
Most definitely, especially with the loads going through the front lower control arm.
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So are the poly tie rod end boots worth me swapping over?
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ok. so are there any odjections to the following setup?

poly motor mounts
poly torque arm mount
read LCA poly bushing (spohn setup)
PHB with poly bushing (probably end up with an on car adjustable from whoever has them on sale)
front upper control arm poly? didnt really see much on that
poly sway bar bushings and endlinks. front and rear.
i might try to do the modified poly trans mount since i have had good luck with it before in my old formula


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