Time to upgrade some suspension..
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Time to upgrade some suspension..
So after a long wait I got the chance to get my car back to the track with some DR's on. Problem is I'm on stock swaybars, shocks and springs..(might not be my only problem though..)
My over all times suffered with the DR's due to the massive hook then unloading.
Tires: ET streets (was running them at 20psi)
Rear end: Dana S60, 4.10 gears
Trans: M6
Suspension on car now: BMR LCA, (and relocarion), full length Torque arm, Torque arm relocation.
Engine: Cam only MS4
Here are two of my better runs of the night. The car has gone 12.21 @ 117 on street tires. (same setup)
60': 1.8869
300': 5.2408
1/8 ET: 8.0331
1/8 MPH: 88.58
1000' ET: 10.4591
1000' MPH: 101.12
1/4 ET: 12.4881
1/4 MPH: 111.39
60': 1.8563
300': 5.2879
1/8 ET: 8.1079
1/8 MPH: 87.99
1000' ET: 10.5297
1000' MPH: 100.78
1/4 ET: 12.5627
1/4 MPH: 111.33
So I guess I'm hoping Sam or some other sponcers will chime in with some words of advice. I do drive the car on the streets but it's not a DD any more. Just a nice night or sunday drive car now. That dosen't mean I drive it nicely though
My over all times suffered with the DR's due to the massive hook then unloading.
Tires: ET streets (was running them at 20psi)
Rear end: Dana S60, 4.10 gears
Trans: M6
Suspension on car now: BMR LCA, (and relocarion), full length Torque arm, Torque arm relocation.
Engine: Cam only MS4
Here are two of my better runs of the night. The car has gone 12.21 @ 117 on street tires. (same setup)
60': 1.8869
300': 5.2408
1/8 ET: 8.0331
1/8 MPH: 88.58
1000' ET: 10.4591
1000' MPH: 101.12
1/4 ET: 12.4881
1/4 MPH: 111.39
60': 1.8563
300': 5.2879
1/8 ET: 8.1079
1/8 MPH: 87.99
1000' ET: 10.5297
1000' MPH: 100.78
1/4 ET: 12.5627
1/4 MPH: 111.33
So I guess I'm hoping Sam or some other sponcers will chime in with some words of advice. I do drive the car on the streets but it's not a DD any more. Just a nice night or sunday drive car now. That dosen't mean I drive it nicely though
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With a manual transmission it is going to be a bear to launch the car and get it to hook. Your best bet is a good set of shocks, slicks, and some seat time. Mainly it is going to take some seat time to get everything dialed and get the launch just right so were it doesn't bog or spin. Another important aspect is a nice prepped track otherwise it could be a spinfest no matter what you do.
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So after a long wait I got the chance to get my car back to the track with some DR's on. Problem is I'm on stock swaybars, shocks and springs..(might not be my only problem though..)
My over all times suffered with the DR's due to the massive hook then unloading.
Tires: ET streets (was running them at 20psi)
Rear end: Dana S60, 4.10 gears
Trans: M6
Suspension on car now: BMR LCA, (and relocarion), full length Torque arm, Torque arm relocation.
Engine: Cam only MS4
Here are two of my better runs of the night. The car has gone 12.21 @ 117 on street tires. (same setup)
60': 1.8869
300': 5.2408
1/8 ET: 8.0331
1/8 MPH: 88.58
1000' ET: 10.4591
1000' MPH: 101.12
1/4 ET: 12.4881
1/4 MPH: 111.39
60': 1.8563
300': 5.2879
1/8 ET: 8.1079
1/8 MPH: 87.99
1000' ET: 10.5297
1000' MPH: 100.78
1/4 ET: 12.5627
1/4 MPH: 111.33
So I guess I'm hoping Sam or some other sponcers will chime in with some words of advice. I do drive the car on the streets but it's not a DD any more. Just a nice night or sunday drive car now. That dosen't mean I drive it nicely though
My over all times suffered with the DR's due to the massive hook then unloading.
Tires: ET streets (was running them at 20psi)
Rear end: Dana S60, 4.10 gears
Trans: M6
Suspension on car now: BMR LCA, (and relocarion), full length Torque arm, Torque arm relocation.
Engine: Cam only MS4
Here are two of my better runs of the night. The car has gone 12.21 @ 117 on street tires. (same setup)
60': 1.8869
300': 5.2408
1/8 ET: 8.0331
1/8 MPH: 88.58
1000' ET: 10.4591
1000' MPH: 101.12
1/4 ET: 12.4881
1/4 MPH: 111.39
60': 1.8563
300': 5.2879
1/8 ET: 8.1079
1/8 MPH: 87.99
1000' ET: 10.5297
1000' MPH: 100.78
1/4 ET: 12.5627
1/4 MPH: 111.33
So I guess I'm hoping Sam or some other sponcers will chime in with some words of advice. I do drive the car on the streets but it's not a DD any more. Just a nice night or sunday drive car now. That dosen't mean I drive it nicely though
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Before the 60' mark. Launch then unload. Didn't seam to matter what I did. It was either hook and unload or bog it out of the hole and ease into it.
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With a manual transmission it is going to be a bear to launch the car and get it to hook. Your best bet is a good set of shocks, slicks, and some seat time. Mainly it is going to take some seat time to get everything dialed and get the launch just right so were it doesn't bog or spin. Another important aspect is a nice prepped track otherwise it could be a spinfest no matter what you do.
I get that I need to just practice more and more but really you should know having the proper set up makes a world of differance and will totaly change how the car reacts off the line. Thus any perfect launch I get now will be altered as I upgrade.
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First statment is 100% faulse.. I'll totaly agree with the parts I need and I always enjoy seat time. If your read the information that I provided you will see I was on a set of ET streets. As far as a nice prepped track about the only track we have around thats remotly close is MOKAN and well it's prepped. With KC and tulsa now closed there aren't a lot of options..
I get that I need to just practice more and more but really you should know having the proper set up makes a world of differance and will totaly change how the car reacts off the line. Thus any perfect launch I get now will be altered as I upgrade.
I get that I need to just practice more and more but really you should know having the proper set up makes a world of differance and will totaly change how the car reacts off the line. Thus any perfect launch I get now will be altered as I upgrade.
Trust me I know the proper set up will do wonders to help you launch the car but I would have to say it is an 50/50 split as far as driver/suspension set up goes. If you have the ideal suspension setup and a crappy driver ( I am not saying you are a crappy driver) it will just be a waste of good parts and time. It is definitely clear that your setup needs some help since you are only cutting mid to high 1.8 60ft times so there is definitely some room for improvement.
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We can agree to disagree because drag racing a 6 speed car tends to be an inconsistent ordeal from everything I have seen. There are a few guys that really have success launching manual cars which is why most guys end up going to an auto at some point in the cars life. Are you using the stiff side-walled ET Streets?
Trust me I know the proper set up will do wonders to help you launch the car but I would have to say it is an 50/50 split as far as driver/suspension set up goes. If you have the ideal suspension setup and a crappy driver ( I am not saying you are a crappy driver) it will just be a waste of good parts and time. It is definitely clear that your setup needs some help since you are only cutting mid to high 1.8 60ft times so there is definitely some room for improvement.
Trust me I know the proper set up will do wonders to help you launch the car but I would have to say it is an 50/50 split as far as driver/suspension set up goes. If you have the ideal suspension setup and a crappy driver ( I am not saying you are a crappy driver) it will just be a waste of good parts and time. It is definitely clear that your setup needs some help since you are only cutting mid to high 1.8 60ft times so there is definitely some room for improvement.
So far my times are very consistant but yes there are a lot more things to go wrong and it's a lot more unforgiving at the launch. I'm by no means a pro driver but I enjoy it and I've gad more consistant times over some autos.
Again I agree you can also have the best car with everything under the sun in it and without a good driver it's worthless. I just know that on my 102,XXX mile stock suspension it's not cutting it and I'm done messing with it.
On a side note so far all the sispension upgrades I do have is all BMR.
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Still wondering about lowering the car.. It sits so high up right now and I've never really liked the look. I would rather have function over look though to be honnest.
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Anytime you lower the front of the car it will make it harder to transfer weight but you can combat that with a good set drag shocks in the front and by lightening up the front end of the car. A car can be lowered for looks and still be set up to cut good 60ft times. I know these cars are a little different then your car since they both have TH400 but they are both lowered and launch very well.
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Wow, are you going at this mostly wrong. You REALLY want to launch an M6 car? Call Joe at LMR. Track car? Mirror his set up. If you drive it on the street, get some Bilsteins, a PHB...and practice. Get tires according to your priority of usage, but you need sticky tires. No matter what you do, factory cars need shocks and tires. Bilsteins will work for you no matter what. If drag racing is your deal, stock sways and springs are ok, but you need shocks and tires.