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Old 06-24-2006, 11:10 PM
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I've been hearing it everywhere and its kinda bothering me. What exactly is it?
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Umm... you can't really "hear" body roll. It's something you feel. Roll is when you send the car into a turn and the bol leans to one side or another.
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Originally Posted by UAZ28SS
Umm... you can't really "hear" body roll. It's something you feel. Roll is when you send the car into a turn and the body leans to one side or another.
Im sure the experts will correct when i get it wrong but...

The wheels are trying to say turn right, but because of centripetal force and inertia the body wants to continue straight..the result is that the outside corner suspensions burdened with the weight of the body..lessening the cars ability to turn....under-steer

I really you like the body to stay over the wheels evenly over all four corners of teh car
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Text book definition:
Definition: The leaning or tipping of a vehicle's body to one side when turning sharply. This reduces traction and increases tire scuff due to undesirable alignment changes. Body roll is controlled primarily by a sway bar, but the stiffness of the springs and shocks also play a role.
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I have a good amount on my TA. I just ordered the UMI 3 point subframes and now I'm looking at what shocks/struts I want to go with. I hope that helps a good bit. Havent seen much gain from sturt tower braces but could those help with body roll.
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Not at all ( or not much) sub frames stiffin the two parts of the fbody...struts and shocks will affect the amount or effect of your existing shock on ride quality..

Swaybars are what you want to look into if your trying to change body roll
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Alrighty perfect defination.
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I love my Camaro body roll. Oh wait, my SS does not have any body roll.
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Springs, shocks, phb, & sway bars will help to eliminate body roll
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Its not that bad, I can get used to it. If I didnt have body roll, would I break the rear wheels loose more often....almost drifting i guess u can say on turns.
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Actually having a stiffer rear swaybar (less rear body roll) makes it easier to kick the rear end out (inducing a power slide).
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Originally Posted by DuronClocker
Actually having a stiffer rear swaybar (less rear body roll) makes it easier to kick the rear end out (inducing a power slide).
hahahaha those are fun
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Would I have to do anything to the front suspension for powersliding better? or just rear sway bars?
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people, you are forgetting an import part of the suspension and body roll.. bushings.. if have old warn out rubber bushing and your sway bars, control arms are trying to push on them.. its like jelly.. get some polyurethane bushings, one of the best things I have done, suspension wise.
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Originally Posted by GR33N GoblinM6
people, you are forgetting an import part of the suspension and body roll.. bushings.. if have old warn out rubber bushing and your sway bars, control arms are trying to push on them.. its like jelly.. get some polyurethane bushings, one of the best things I have done, suspension wise.

Might be the cheapest place to start
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Bushings don't alter roll stiffness..... If yours are junk, they will make your bars react more quickly (as they should), but don't ultimately make for less roll. Also, remember that all the bushings are about $80 or so when you get new endlinks (and that's a must because stock links snap all the time). New links and bushings come with new bar sets.

The way I see it, take your $80 and put them toward an appropriate set of bars. That $80 is a full 20% of the price of a front and rear set of my hollow bars. And there are less expensive bars as well (I sell a lot of bars, not just mine, not always the right answer for everyone). You get not only a lot better roll stiffness (33% in the rear, and 30%-45% stiffer than stock front bars depending on if you have the 30mm or an SS/WS6/1LE 32mm front bar).
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