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Old 11-20-2007, 02:02 PM
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Looking for better handling and smoother ride.

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Some of those shocks are twin tube design, not monotube. The Koni single adjustable is the best handling shock for the money.

Bilstein HD's are pretty good for 'normal driving' on stock springs, but I had the older versions.

The rest I have no direct experience with.
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Luckily, this question only gets asked about once every hour or so. Since that is the case, just do some legwork and read the responses that already exist. Your circumstances don't warrant an entire thread...
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None of the shocks mentioned except the Bilstein's are mono-tubes. Mono-tubes have some advantages, but just being a mono-tube doesn't make a shock good. The DeCarbon's that are stock are also mono-tubes and pretty much suck.

Shocks are the key, Koni's are the best. There are actually two different sets of SA's you can use (seems you were just reading the generic material from each of the companies websites). DA's are available, and overkill. I don't use them on my car, and I own a set of them FWIW.

Bilstein's at this time are something you can forget about for a number of reasons. HD's have never been right for lowering springs. They were changed a few years ago now and made much worse overall, especially for lowering springs. And they aren't even available at this time. So that's 3-strike's and they're out.

I also sell Bilstein, KYB, Tokico, among others, so my statements are not based upon what I can sell you. They are all lines I carry, for me it's about what works the best for a given situation.
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Originally Posted by Sam Strano
None of the shocks mentioned except the Bilstein's are mono-tubes. Mono-tubes have some advantages, but just being a mono-tube doesn't make a shock good. The DeCarbon's that are stock are also mono-tubes and pretty much suck.

Shocks are the key, Koni's are the best. There are actually two different sets of SA's you can use (seems you were just reading the generic material from each of the companies websites). DA's are available, and overkill. I don't use them on my car, and I own a set of them FWIW.

Bilstein's at this time are something you can forget about for a number of reasons. HD's have never been right for lowering springs. They were changed a few years ago now and made much worse overall, especially for lowering springs. And they aren't even available at this time. So that's 3-strike's and they're out.

I also sell Bilstein, KYB, Tokico, among others, so my statements are not based upon what I can sell you. They are all lines I carry, for me it's about what works the best for a given situation.
So you are saying without going up to full drag race coil overs like QA1's, the Koni's would be the best route to go? I was thinking Koni double adjustable.
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You can't get more different than QA1's and Koni's. If you are looking to control those springs, and want the car to ride and handle as it should, QA1's aren't what you are after.
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Originally Posted by Sam Strano
You can't get more different than QA1's and Koni's. If you are looking to control those springs, and want the car to ride and handle as it should, QA1's aren't what you are after.
Ok so if I do want to control my spring and want the car to ride and handle as it should nice or better than stock but not full out race style then what am I after?
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Originally Posted by BAD WS6
Ok so if I do want to control my spring and want the car to ride and handle as it should nice or better than stock but not full out race style then what am I after?
You are after high quality, control oriented shocks. In this case, that'd be Koni's. The springs have an effect too, and I have no idea if you have springs already or are simply looking at BMR's. The ultimate rates of ours are slightly less, and ours do not change rate through the travel, which is what we want because the shock is a damper of the spring and when the spring rate varies the shock does not match it well all the time. Our also weigh a little less too.
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Originally Posted by BAD WS6
Ok so if I do want to control my spring and want the car to ride and handle as it should nice or better than stock but not full out race style then what am I after?
We have had good results/feedback with using the Tokico's. They are a good performing all around shock that doesn't break the bank.

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Originally Posted by Sam Strano
You are after high quality, control oriented shocks. In this case, that'd be Koni's. The springs have an effect too, and I have no idea if you have springs already or are simply looking at BMR's. The ultimate rates of ours are slightly less, and ours do not change rate through the travel, which is what we want because the shock is a damper of the spring and when the spring rate varies the shock does not match it well all the time. Our also weigh a little less too.
Yes I already have 1" drop BMR springs. So whatever shock works best with them is what I want.
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Originally Posted by BMR Fabrication Inc.
We have had good results/feedback with using the Tokico's. They are a good performing all around shock that doesn't break the bank.

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I did notice they are cheaper and if they are pretty good and better than Bilstein like I hear they are then maybe they are the way to go if they work well with the BMR springs I have.
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Koni's are hands down the best shock for any lowering spring. and there not just a race shock, there a great all around shock
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Originally Posted by rocket22
Koni's are hands down the best shock for any lowering spring. and there not just a race shock, there a great all around shock
They have been the ones I have been leaning towards more without spending an arm and a leg for QA1s.
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Originally Posted by BAD WS6
They have been the ones I have been leaning towards more without spending an arm and a leg for QA1s.
I think you're still a little confused. The QA1s are drag shocks, and if you want handling/good ride, those are the last kind of shocks to be looking at. They are built to transfer weight to the rear of the car quickly, thats terrible for handling, and the ride will be floaty/disconnected. Koni's, on the other hand are built to control the spring and car movement, not sloppily letting the weight go where it wants.
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Originally Posted by JD_AMG
I think you're still a little confused. The QA1s are drag shocks, and if you want handling/good ride, those are the last kind of shocks to be looking at. They are built to transfer weight to the rear of the car quickly, thats terrible for handling, and the ride will be floaty/disconnected. Koni's, on the other hand are built to control the spring and car movement, not sloppily letting the weight go where it wants.
I am not confused. I think I am going to go with Koni double adjustable.
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If you are confused, I'd highly recommend trying something like calling me instead of relying on some forums and e-mail which can be very confusing.

If you opt for DA's, IMHO you'll be overspending by a huge margin. Koni's=yes. DA's=not recommended, at least by me. And you have more than one choice of SA's.
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Originally Posted by BAD WS6
I am not confused. I think I am going to go with Koni double adjustable.
Dude what do you rather do with your car, 1/4 or twisties?

You can't have both.


Do NOT buy Koni DA's, take it from someone who owns a set???

Those are shocks that is used primarily for road-racing, OVERKILL for the street. Trust me, you WILL NOT need to have these shocks for street purposes...Unless you're going to road-race AND you're planning on going all the way and set them up for the particular tracks that you are going to...Are you going to do this?

If not, then you're wasting your money, get the Koni SA's.
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Originally Posted by Sam Strano
If you are confused, I'd highly recommend trying something like calling me instead of relying on some forums and e-mail which can be very confusing.

If you opt for DA's, IMHO you'll be overspending by a huge margin. Koni's=yes. DA's=not recommended, at least by me. And you have more than one choice of SA's.
I'm not confused.
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Originally Posted by Carlos01SS
Dude what do you rather do with your car, 1/4 or twisties?

You can't have both.


Do NOT buy Koni DA's, take it from someone who owns a set???

Those are shocks that is used primarily for road-racing, OVERKILL for the street. Trust me, you WILL NOT need to have these shocks for street purposes...Unless you're going to road-race AND you're planning on going all the way and set them up for the particular tracks that you are going to...Are you going to do this?

If not, then you're wasting your money, get the Koni SA's.
Ok that's what I was starting to think as well so I was starting to tell my self to get the single adjustable ones also. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by BAD WS6
Ok that's what I was starting to think as well so I was starting to tell my self to get the single adjustable ones also. Thanks.
You're welcome.

FWIW, I talked to Sam first and he TOLD me to get the SA's, I didn't listen to him and guess what? I should have.

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