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Old 07-04-2009, 09:14 PM
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well guys i finally took my car to the track in the valley this past wednesday and let me tell u it didnt go good ......MY CAR WAS RUNNING FOR **** I HAD A REAL BAD BOGG I WAS LUANCHING IT AT 4K THEN AT 4500 THEN 5K and then 5500 AND CAR WOULD HOOK CRAZY AND JUST FACE PLANT WITH RPMS GOING DOWN TO 2K BUT FIRST PASS I WENT 12.4 (WHICH IS WHAT I RAN ON THE STOCK MOTOR) 2ND I WENT 12.6 THEN 12.7 AND THEN FINALLY WENT 11.88 BUT WE JUST COULDNT FIGURE OUT Y IT WAS BOGGING I FEEL I COULD HAVE DONE BETTER IF THE BOG WASNT THERE...THEN WITH THE NITROUS IT HOOKED AWSOME AND WHERE IT FELT IT WAS GONNA BOG NITROUS KICKED IN AND KEPT IT UP UNTILL I HIT 3RD GEAR I GOT OUTA THE GROVE AND WENT INTO THE OTHER LANE A LITTLE BIT SO I LET OFF GOT BACK IN THE GROVE AND GOT BACK ON IT IN 3RD AND THEN THREW 4TH I WENT 11.92 @122MPH I WAS A LITTLE DISSAPOINTED I DIDNT GET 1 GOOD RUN ...CAN U all THINK OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE THE BOGG ??

also i have a service light on i ran the scanner threw it and the code its throwing is (heater performance bank 1 sensor 1 and bank 2 sensor 2) anyone no what that is?? would that cause the bogg????


my car is an 02 ws6 6speed

373 gears
ms3 cam
qtp long tubes custom y pipe full exhaust
i was running prostars with a 26x10.5 et drag

any help would be appreiciated thanx in a dvanced
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2 much cam. were ur tires et drag or et streets? also the ms3 cam is made to work best in autos. I also dont think u dont have enough mods to support the cam to make it work best.
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deff got those stock heads trying to work with that MS3...perrty big cam for stock heads...... I'd say it's choking out from being slightly over cam'd...my 95 did it a lil bit since I stuck a big cam in with stock heads....but it was a nitrous car and the Nitrous offset it in my setup...
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Originally Posted by 1_bad94Camaro
2 much cam. were ur tires et drag or et streets? also the ms3 cam is made to work best in autos. I also dont think u dont have enough mods to support the cam to make it work best.

tires were et drags ...im gonna be putting ported ls6 heads and fast 90 combo next week and then prob full suspension in about 2 months
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more air should help up problem. also ur gona need the suspention like u said. I've been to that track twice and the first time i was getting back in the grove of racing and the second could not hook. i'd also suggest a 255lph fuel pump and possibly bigger injectors. then retune and make sure they pull timing for ur nitrous.
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also try a set of DRs..might of had too much tire and not enough hp
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Originally Posted by 1_bad94Camaro
more air should help up problem. also ur gona need the suspention like u said. I've been to that track twice and the first time i was getting back in the grove of racing and the second could not hook. i'd also suggest a 255lph fuel pump and possibly bigger injectors. then retune and make sure they pull timing for ur nitrous.

well timing is retarded for nitrous but i went ahead and ordered the timing knobb the way mando has on his camaro so once thats intalled im going to get a full tune on motor and a full tune on nitrous and i can retard the timing manually from inside
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Originally Posted by GreatWhiteZ28
also try a set of DRs..might of had too much tire and not enough hp
exactly what I was going to say, but I bet you just needed to add some air to the tires and you would have had better results.

Try a set of drag radials. Drop the hammer at 5k and go up from there until the bog goes away. Thats a big cam but plenty of cam only 6 spd cars have ran good numbers with it.
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I thought those ***** and retard boxes worked on LT's. i know if they dont pull timing for nitrous after a while your engine will start smoking. but as far as ur bog issue. ported heads a larger intake and maybe 1 7/8 primaries on ur headers. the more mods u can get to make ur cam work for you the better.
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Originally Posted by deerhunter_z28
exactly what i was going to say, but i bet you just needed to add some air to the tires and you would have had better results.

Try a set of drag radials. Drop the hammer at 5k and go up from there until the bog goes away. Thats a big cam but plenty of cam only 6 spd cars have ran good numbers with it.
well i was running the tires at 12psi what should i go up to ??? Maybe 14-16 psi??
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Originally Posted by ls1_sw
well i was running the tires at 12psi what should i go up to ??? Maybe 14-16 psi??
I would probably start at like 17-18 and go down from there depending on the track. That cam really needs a 4.10 or 4.30, but that 3.73 will work but you honestly might have to drop that sucker off the rev limiter, like 6500 or so to get it to hook. I would see if you could hook on 16-18 psi or as high as possible and start dumping it around 5500 and go up 500rpm every launch if it keeps bogging. That sucker will hook believe me, you just have to play with the tire pressure and launch rpm.
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You just need to drop the clutch a little slower, you dont have quite enough power to just dump and go. I dont see what raising tire pressure is gonna do unless your trying to get it to spin just a little to get it out of the hole, but I dont think thats going to be enough. And if you switch to drag radials they will most likely hook just like your slicks (at least mine did) or let loose completely. It's a lot harder to control spin with a dr than a slick, especially in a 6 speed.
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Oh and like deerhunter said, you REALLY need to get some gears better suited for your cam.
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heads and intake before you figure out your issue isn't the best use of money. I personally like the idea of suspension first. You see immediate benefit from this AND it supports future upgrades. Adding power when it's not hooking right just spins the wheels/tires more. . .
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Originally Posted by DeerHunter_Z28
I would probably start at like 17-18 and go down from there depending on the track. That cam really needs a 4.10 or 4.30, but that 3.73 will work but you honestly might have to drop that sucker off the rev limiter, like 6500 or so to get it to hook. I would see if you could hook on 16-18 psi or as high as possible and start dumping it around 5500 and go up 500rpm every launch if it keeps bogging. That sucker will hook believe me, you just have to play with the tire pressure and launch rpm.

thanx i wil try that ...and about the gears if i go 410's do u think i wil run out of gear when running on the bottle ???????????
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Originally Posted by ls1_sw
thanx i wil try that ...and about the gears if i go 410's do u think i wil run out of gear when running on the bottle ???????????
Probably, if you do you just need to go to a taller tire.
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Originally Posted by NSSANE02
You just need to drop the clutch a little slower, you dont have quite enough power to just dump and go. I dont see what raising tire pressure is gonna do unless your trying to get it to spin just a little to get it out of the hole, but I dont think thats going to be enough. And if you switch to drag radials they will most likely hook just like your slicks (at least mine did) or let loose completely. It's a lot harder to control spin with a dr than a slick, especially in a 6 speed.
That might help if he can slip the clutch, depends how good of a driver he is. I used to get my cam only car to hook w/ stock 3.42's but I was literally dumping the clutch at about 6500-6600.
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Originally Posted by Duffster
heads and intake before you figure out your issue isn't the best use of money. I personally like the idea of suspension first. You see immediate benefit from this AND it supports future upgrades. Adding power when it's not hooking right just spins the wheels/tires more. . .
Well said.
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Originally Posted by Duffster
heads and intake before you figure out your issue isn't the best use of money. I personally like the idea of suspension first. You see immediate benefit from this AND it supports future upgrades. Adding power when it's not hooking right just spins the wheels/tires more. . .
Usually I would agree with suspension coming first, but in his case he's not having traction issues. He just needs to practice his launches. If I try to just dump the clutch my car does exactly the same thing, you need to feather it a little to avoid bogging.
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Originally Posted by ls1_sw
thanx i wil try that ...and about the gears if i go 410's do u think i wil run out of gear when running on the bottle ???????????
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