Wheels & Tires Forged | Billet | Cast | Radials | Slicks

315s & Tramlining, Anyone have this problem?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-13-2011, 10:19 AM
  #1  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (23)
 
Yahelou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 1,411
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default 315s & Tramlining, Anyone have this problem?

Just like title says, i have 315s on the rear and the car is tramlining like crazy. i got an alignment and it was good for a couple of days and went back to how it was. its weird. i was thinking of taking it back. its getting very annoying. steering wheel is jerking left and right very badly. if anyone has any experience with this, it would help me out a lot.
Old 02-13-2011, 11:58 AM
  #2  
On The Tree
 
Revcore66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 194
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I'm pretty sure the tramlining has more to do with the front tires than anything else. What changes have you made recently to your wheel setup? Of course, worn out or damaged front suspension could be an issue as well. The wider the front tire and the firmer the sidewall is, the greater chance of a tramlining problem. A sidewall with more flex will absorb the ruts in the road rather than the wheel itself being jerked around.
Old 02-14-2011, 08:53 AM
  #3  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (23)
 
Yahelou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 1,411
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Revcore66
I'm pretty sure the tramlining has more to do with the front tires than anything else. What changes have you made recently to your wheel setup? Of course, worn out or damaged front suspension could be an issue as well. The wider the front tire and the firmer the sidewall is, the greater chance of a tramlining problem. A sidewall with more flex will absorb the ruts in the road rather than the wheel itself being jerked around.
the entire front suspension has been replaced with moog parts. the front tires are 275/40/17. i have been hearing mixed opinions. some ppl are telling me its from the wide *** 315/35/18. the wheels are toyo proxes tq all the way around. i dont know what to do.
Old 02-14-2011, 11:51 AM
  #4  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (1)
 
SSCamaro99_3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Ballwin, MO
Posts: 2,551
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Having drag radials in the front is probably not helping at all. They are set up with a softer sidewall than most street tires. They are probably wobbling side to side from the ruts in the road, and the softer sidewall can't control the motion.
Old 02-15-2011, 01:55 PM
  #5  
On The Tree
iTrader: (1)
 
SHORTZ A KILLA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 175
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SSCamaro99_3
Having drag radials in the front is probably not helping at all. They are set up with a softer sidewall than most street tires. They are probably wobbling side to side from the ruts in the road, and the softer sidewall can't control the motion.
I agree, I had drag radials on all 4 corners and turning hard corners and entrance and exit ramps were scary at speed -also did you consider wheel spacers for rear?
Old 02-15-2011, 04:20 PM
  #6  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (23)
 
Yahelou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 1,411
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SHORTZ A KILLA
I agree, I had drag radials on all 4 corners and turning hard corners and entrance and exit ramps were scary at speed -also did you consider wheel spacers for rear?
It was pretty stupid on my behalf to do that. I just wanted all the tires to match, im retarded like that. haha.

i have thought about it. but why do u suggest it, and how big of a spacer?
Old 02-15-2011, 04:29 PM
  #7  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (23)
 
smg267's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: PA
Posts: 987
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

my 315's would do that when they were starting to get really worn. I ran the sumotumo's for 2 sets and got rid of them when it started tracking. I ran the 555r's and they did the same when they got worn.
Old 02-15-2011, 06:10 PM
  #8  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (8)
 
Latch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Mechanicsville, VA
Posts: 1,444
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Drag radials on the front FTL. I would correct that immediately.
Old 02-15-2011, 06:38 PM
  #9  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (74)
 
Photochop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: In the garage
Posts: 2,748
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

Yep, sell the front drag radials and replace with another toyo - at least the brand would be consistent lol, like the T1R or something
Old 02-15-2011, 06:51 PM
  #10  
Registered User
 
01A4Z28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: OHIO
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I have 315's on my car i haven't had any problem with anything like that i'd have to agree a major problem is the dr's on the front
Old 02-15-2011, 07:07 PM
  #11  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (-1)
 
1BAD02WS6's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tulsa
Posts: 849
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

somebody help me out. I have been working in a automotive alignment/ tire shop for a very long time and i have no idea what "tramlining" is?

You said the steering wheel is jerking back and forth, what speeds does this happen?
Old 02-15-2011, 07:20 PM
  #12  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (37)
 
therealcreeper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,398
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

it's when the car follows ruts/grooves in the road, instead of going straight the car will pull to one side or the other
Old 02-15-2011, 07:40 PM
  #13  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (-1)
 
1BAD02WS6's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tulsa
Posts: 849
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

ohhhh we call that "crowning". In that case it has nothing to do with the different sized tires. Its in the alignment and possibly front end parts
Old 02-15-2011, 08:01 PM
  #14  
Launching!
 
jim ravencraft's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: SOUTH CAROLINA
Posts: 260
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

hi.
i agree with the above and this is my first time on the aforementioned term. my expertise is over 50 years with alot of suspension builds on custom restorations. i would check my front end at home. jack under lower contol arm/raise front tire one inch.
place bar under tire and lift up. any movement????????? bad ball joints/etc.
check:shocks/struts/bushings/tie rod ends/tire pressure/4-wheel alignment/worn steering linkage/wheel bearings????????????????????????????
double check your work and torque twice/ mark bolts with marker to assure nothing is missed. i firmly believe that you have issues with faulty parts.......good luck and keep us posted......have a blessed day..........jim
PS: ALWAYS USE PROPER SAFETY EQUIPMENT WHEN WORKING UNDER VEHICLE................MOST ROADS 2% CROWN FOR WATER RUN OFF/SAFETY............

Last edited by jim ravencraft; 02-15-2011 at 08:07 PM.
Old 02-15-2011, 09:31 PM
  #15  
On The Tree
 
Revcore66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 194
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Well, I was reading his other thread and he said it didn't do it with his old 19 inch wheels with a smaller sidewall. I'm assuming he doesn't have those rims anymore. What I would be doing is bolting on different wheels and tires if you have old ones or can borrow some from a buddy. See if it's any different. Perhaps the crown of the road could cause tramlining but I think it's more to do with the ruts in the road where the tiretracks are 'sunken' into the pavement. It's particularly noticable on a four lane road in the far right lanes. I researched a fair bit before when I had a 91 Z28 with horrible tramlining. Narrower tires make a big difference and I think the tread pattern could also make a difference. I think that tires with wide longitudinal tread grooves were worse than v shaped tread. What kind of tires did you have previously?
Old 02-15-2011, 11:55 PM
  #16  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (23)
 
Yahelou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 1,411
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

^^^ yea those 19s are gone. i had nitto 555r tires on them previously. i actually sold them cuz i was sick of the tramlining, but little did i know that it would get worse.
Old 02-16-2011, 12:12 AM
  #17  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (96)
 
01ssreda4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Turnin' Wrenches Infractions: 005
Posts: 24,241
Likes: 0
Received 79 Likes on 70 Posts

Default

My stock 275 wide tires do this a little to terrible, depends on the road. Nature of the beast.
Old 02-16-2011, 02:05 AM
  #18  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (6)
 
sxracerb25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Tecumseh, MI
Posts: 273
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
My stock 275 wide tires do this a little to terrible, depends on the road. Nature of the beast.
+1. Mine comes and goes with what road I'm on. I'm running NT555's
Old 02-16-2011, 08:35 AM
  #19  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (23)
 
Yahelou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 1,411
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
My stock 275 wide tires do this a little to terrible, depends on the road. Nature of the beast.
Originally Posted by sxracerb25
+1. Mine comes and goes with what road I'm on. I'm running NT555's
whats the width of the tire yall running: 35 or 40??
Old 02-16-2011, 11:10 AM
  #20  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (1)
 
SSCamaro99_3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Ballwin, MO
Posts: 2,551
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by Yahelou
whats the width of the tire yall running: 35 or 40??
Those are aspect ratios (aka sidewall height). They already stated their widths. All wide tires will have some trammeling effect. Most cas on the road have narrower tires than our cars. Therefore, the ruts in the concrete is too narrow for our tires to sit in completely, and they hop along in the ruts. I am willing to bet that the softer case construction of having drag radials in the front is just amplifying this effect.


Quick Reply: 315s & Tramlining, Anyone have this problem?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:55 AM.