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Old 09-10-2016, 04:04 PM
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Here is where I started and the steps I took to get me where I'm at.

Stock 2000 A4 with Lid and MagnaFflo muffler only on street tires.
5-21-16 - best of 2 runs was 2.054 60', 8.819 1/[email protected] and [email protected].

5-22-16 - Got the fever and the adventure began.

Over the next month and a half I added Hooker BH true duals, SE 1 7/8 LT's, poly mounts, LS6 intake, ported TB, SSRA, MSD wires and tune. Also back seat, jack and spare removal, adding SFC and street rear tires at 25psi. These upgrades gave me the following:
7-9-16 - 2.05 60', 8.516 1/[email protected] and [email protected].

Added a SS3600 and Toyo TQ's. Fronts at 40psi and rears at 18psi gave me these times:
DA was between 2300 and 2100 during the times that I ran.
1st run (no vid): backed into the water, pulled forward and lit em up for 5-6 seconds. Staged and dead hooked.
1.701 60', [email protected] 1/8th and [email protected]

2nd run: backed into water and did an insufficient burnout. Staged and spun off the line. I know now when this happens, I might as well baby it to the finish.
2.088 60', [email protected] 1/8th and [email protected]

3rd run: (vid below) no water, just power braked it forward of the water. Rear went sliding to the left and left a lot to be desired. Still good enough to match my first run dead hooking again.
1.710 60', [email protected] 1/8th and [email protected]
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My mph seems slow. I haven't had the car retuned after I installed the stall (but the tune made provisions for the stall). Car was tuned after I upgraded the intake and exhaust, but this was dyno tuned and not street tuned. Would having the car street tuned help?

Don't get me wrong, I'm ticked with how the car performed last night. Car has 193K on it but very well taken car of.

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Mph sounds about right to me given your weight and mods. Nice work
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Good run! Does the motor have 193k on it?
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Damn nice bud

How ya liking that converter?

Your trap speeds are definitely in the ball park for your mods. You will likely gain 2 tenths and 2 mph if you can get a da around 0 later this year.

Imo those are damn good times in that air.
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BIG thanks to all you guys who have steered me in the right direction. This is a great accomplishment to me.

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Good run! Does the motor have 193k on it?
According to the previous owner who bought it from the original owner(they are friends) the motor has 193K. Trans was replaced at 170K.

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Damn nice bud

How ya liking that converter?

Your trap speeds are definitely in the ball park for your mods. You will likely gain 2 tenths and 2 mph if you can get a da around 0 later this year.

Imo those are damn good times in that air.
Converter is great and these track slips are like trophies.

Not sure what's next beside a mild drop and new LCA bushings.

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Originally Posted by rybern View Post
Converter is great and these track slips are like trophies.

Not sure what's next beside a mild drop and new LCA bushings.
I hear ya, I'm in the same boat with about the same setup as you and was going to spray next season but now I can't get a drag pack setup out of my head lol
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Originally Posted by 98CayenneT/A View Post
I hear ya, I'm in the same boat with about the same setup as you and was going to spray next season but now I can't get a drag pack setup out of my head lol
LOL, I've have had countless folks suggesting spray. I've always been a bit concerned about hurting my motor when considering NOS... mainly due to old school stories I've heard back in the day. I was thinking about lighter weight wheels(especially front) on my way home last night. But I really like that my car looks stock. Drag pack does look pretty awesome though. What kind of gains could we expect? I won't be doing that any time soon. I just bought the Toyo TQ's and they did an exceptional job with a decent burnout with my modest power level.
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There's so much worry and misinformation about nitrous lol. I've ran it 3 years now on my Camaro, and 4 years on my Mustang, and never had a single problem. Done right it's just as safe as anything else that adds an extra 100-150 hp
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Originally Posted by rybern View Post
LOL, I've have had countless folks suggesting spray. I've always been a bit concerned about hurting my motor when considering NOS... mainly due to old school stories I've heard back in the day. I was thinking about lighter weight wheels(especially front) on my way home last night. But I really like that my car looks stock. Drag pack does look pretty awesome though. What kind of gains could we expect? I won't be doing that any time soon. I just bought the Toyo TQ's and they did an exceptional job with a decent burnout with my modest power level.
With spray I would run a stand alone tank and run race gas in it ( c23 or something 120 octane )

My best is [email protected] mph, this fall I will be throwing on my buddies drag pack and am hoping for a [email protected] mph lol
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS View Post
There's so much worry and misinformation about nitrous lol. I've ran it 3 years now on my Camaro, and 4 years on my Mustang, and never had a single problem. Done right it's just as safe as anything else that adds an extra 100-150 hp
I agree 100%
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS View Post
There's so much worry and misinformation about nitrous lol. I've ran it 3 years now on my Camaro, and 4 years on my Mustang, and never had a single problem. Done right it's just as safe as anything else that adds an extra 100-150 hp
That's comforting to read. I'll do a bit of research when/if I get the itch.

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With spray I would run a stand alone tank and run race gas in it ( c23 or something 120 octane )

My best is [email protected] mph, this fall I will be throwing on my buddies drag pack and am hoping for a [email protected] mph lol
Wow, we are very close. Add your buddy's drag pack and remove your front sway bar and I bet you'll be there. Wouldn't spray be cheaper than drag pack? I'm not too fond of running gas I cannot buy at the pump.
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That's comforting to read. I'll do a bit of research when/if I get the itch.


Wow, we are very close. Add your buddy's drag pack and remove your front sway bar and I bet you'll be there. Wouldn't spray be cheaper than drag pack? I'm not too fond of running gas I cannot buy at the pump.
Eventually I would do both, just can't decide which one first.

And in a stand alone you don't go threw a ton of race fuel. It is a gallon tank that you mount under your hood.
So you would still run 93 in your big tank then you would pull 120 octane from the stand alone tank instead of off the fuel rail which would also be 93.

The reason for a stand alone is the higher the octane the slower the burn rate in turn is a very good safety feature but not a necessary one in preventing detonation.
You would only use the high octane in the stand alone when you hit the GO FAST button.
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Eventually I would do both, just can't decide which one first.

And in a stand alone you don't go threw a ton of race fuel. It is a gallon tank that you mount under your hood.
So you would still run 93 in your big tank then you would pull 120 octane from the stand alone tank instead of off the fuel rail which would also be 93.

The reason for a stand alone is the higher the octane the slower the burn rate in turn is a very good safety feature but not a necessary one in preventing detonation.
You would only use the high octane in the stand alone when you hit the GO FAST button.
Gotcha. This noob appreciates the explanation.
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OK, since I've posted on this thread, I have lowered the car by cutting 1 coil off stock springs, LCA's & relos. I've gone to the strip since then and ran a 12.23 @110.5 with a 1.701 60'. So lowering combined with LCA's didn't seem to hurt me.

Today I purchased a drag pack($500 seemed like a bargain) which will reduce my front wheel wight by 50lbs and rear wheel weight by 16lbs. Rear tires are 275x50-15 555r. I also plan to remove the front sway bar. Is it realistic that this will get me in the 11's? Weather is cooler too and DA is nearly 1000 points lower now, so that alone may get me close.
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I'd say you have a pretty realistic shot at it. Lower weight all around, better weight transfer, and lower rolling resistance are all better. I personally never had any luck with the 555r's, but then again it was on a manual car.
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Originally Posted by rybern View Post
Here is where I started and the steps I took to get me where I'm at.

Stock 2000 A4 with Lid and MagnaFflo muffler only on street tires.
5-21-16 - best of 2 runs was 2.054 60', 8.819 1/[email protected] and [email protected].

5-22-16 - Got the fever and the adventure began.

Over the next month and a half I added Hooker BH true duals, SE 1 7/8 LT's, poly mounts, LS6 intake, ported TB, SSRA, MSD wires and tune. Street tires at 25lbs. These upgrades gave me the following:
7-9-16 - 2.05 60', 8.516 1/[email protected] and [email protected].

Current setup included the above in addition to back seat, jack and spare removal, adding SFC, SS3600 and Toyo TQ's. Fronts at 40psi and rears at 18psi

DA was between 2300 and 2100 during the times that I ran.
1st run (no vid): backed into the water, pulled forward and lit em up for 5-6 seconds. Staged and dead hooked.
1.701 60', [email protected] 1/8th and [email protected]

2nd run: backed into water and did an insufficient burnout. Staged and spun off the line. I know now when this happens, I might as well baby it to the finish.
2.088 60', [email protected] 1/8th and [email protected]

3rd run: (vid below) no water, just power braked it forward of the water. Rear went sliding to the left and left a lot to be desired. Still good enough to match my first run dead hooking again.
1.710 60', [email protected] 1/8th and [email protected]
https://www.youtube.com/attribution_...m-upload_owner

My mph seems slow. I haven't had the car retuned after I installed the stall (but the tune made provisions for the stall). Car was tuned after I upgraded the intake and exhaust, but this was dyno tuned and not street tuned. Would having the car street tuned help?

Don't get me wrong, I'm ticked with how the car performed last night. Car has 193K on it but very well taken car of.

This should be a sticky somewhere for someone planning progressive performance mods.
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Originally Posted by Hardtop Brian View Post
I'd say you have a pretty realistic shot at it. Lower weight all around, better weight transfer, and lower rolling resistance are all better. I personally never had any luck with the 555r's, but then again it was on a manual car.
Did you run low psi with the 555r's? I'm hoping that I can hook with them. I got on it today from a roll and chirped the tires from 1st to 2nd(something that has never happened with my TQ's).... not a good sign.
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555r's are lame. I would go with 17 psi and a way long burnout. Get lots of heat in them
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555r's are lame. I would go with 17 psi and a way long burnout. Get lots of heat in them
Will do. Thanks for the suggestion. Tires have nearly 6/32 tread so they can afford to loose a bit.
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Will do. Thanks for the suggestion. Tires have nearly 6/32 tread so they can afford to loose a bit.

Did you happen to run it with the exhaust prior to the Torque convertor and get a better than 2.0 short time.

It would really help to better differentiate the gains from the mods in more sequential order
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