My wax is messed up
03-16-2007, 05:22 PM
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My wax is messed up I have a great layer of zaino built up on the car with some meguires wax in between. The shop that I took the car to scratched the wax (not the clear coat or paint) in a couple of places. How do I get the scratches out without stripping off all the wax and doing it all over again?
03-16-2007, 10:43 PM
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The wax is on there thick. What helps build up the wax is the fact that I seal it with the zaino. I don't think the quick detailer is going to cut it. The scratches are into the wax pretty good. I can look to the side and see that the scratch hasn't made it through to the clear.
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03-16-2007, 11:54 PM
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I tried with the camera but it's just not going to cut it. I'd say it's about .5-1mm thick. I tried a clay bar and it seemed to get rid of the haze where their jeans were rubbing on the car. I took some of the zaino swirl remover to the deeper scratches and then filled them in with some wax. It looks better but not like it used to. I think I'm going to take it all the way down to clear coat with some dawn dish washing liquid. I think I'll have to start over again at least on the front end. Any suggestions on what to do if they did get down into the clear coat a little bit?
03-17-2007, 11:29 AM
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As a former distributor for the product, the philosophy was that carnauba wax or other toppers was not recommended or needed after Z-2 or Z-3 applications. However those wax products would add to the depth of darker color vehicles.
Now can you top a sealant with a wax but not the other way around. The carrier agent in many sealants will cut or remove the wax protection from the surface. Have you noticed streaking after applying those type of products on top of your wax?
If you're trying to remove the scratch, is it something you can see but not feel?
Dawn will only knock down the gloss of the product but not remove it from the surface.
If you want to address scratch removal, I recommend wash, clay bar, rinse, swab with isopropyl alcohol/distilled water to achieve a perfectly clean surface. Start with the least aggressive approach and increase as necessary.
For example by machine, we would use our product TC-8 Swirl Cutter/orange pad combo on the PC or yellow pad/mild rubbing compound if this doesn't cut enough. It may be able to be done by hand but would be time consuming.
Without seeing the condition in person, it's difficult to recommend an accurate course of treatment.
Feel free to contact us with any questions.
Now can you top a sealant with a wax but not the other way around. The carrier agent in many sealants will cut or remove the wax protection from the surface. Have you noticed streaking after applying those type of products on top of your wax?
If you're trying to remove the scratch, is it something you can see but not feel?
Dawn will only knock down the gloss of the product but not remove it from the surface.
If you want to address scratch removal, I recommend wash, clay bar, rinse, swab with isopropyl alcohol/distilled water to achieve a perfectly clean surface. Start with the least aggressive approach and increase as necessary.
For example by machine, we would use our product TC-8 Swirl Cutter/orange pad combo on the PC or yellow pad/mild rubbing compound if this doesn't cut enough. It may be able to be done by hand but would be time consuming.
Without seeing the condition in person, it's difficult to recommend an accurate course of treatment.
Feel free to contact us with any questions.
03-17-2007, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve@Tropi-Care
As a former distributor for the product, the philosophy was that carnauba wax or other toppers was not recommended or needed after Z-2 or Z-3 applications. However those wax products would add to the depth of darker color vehicles.
Now can you top a sealant with a wax but not the other way around. The carrier agent in many sealants will cut or remove the wax protection from the surface. Have you noticed streaking after applying those type of products on top of your wax?
If you're trying to remove the scratch, is it something you can see but not feel?
Dawn will only knock down the gloss of the product but not remove it from the surface.
If you want to address scratch removal, I recommend wash, clay bar, rinse, swab with isopropyl alcohol/distilled water to achieve a perfectly clean surface. Start with the least aggressive approach and increase as necessary.
For example by machine, we would use our product TC-8 Swirl Cutter/orange pad combo on the PC or yellow pad/mild rubbing compound if this doesn't cut enough. It may be able to be done by hand but would be time consuming.
Without seeing the condition in person, it's difficult to recommend an accurate course of treatment.
Feel free to contact us with any questions.
Now can you top a sealant with a wax but not the other way around. The carrier agent in many sealants will cut or remove the wax protection from the surface. Have you noticed streaking after applying those type of products on top of your wax?
If you're trying to remove the scratch, is it something you can see but not feel?
Dawn will only knock down the gloss of the product but not remove it from the surface.
If you want to address scratch removal, I recommend wash, clay bar, rinse, swab with isopropyl alcohol/distilled water to achieve a perfectly clean surface. Start with the least aggressive approach and increase as necessary.
For example by machine, we would use our product TC-8 Swirl Cutter/orange pad combo on the PC or yellow pad/mild rubbing compound if this doesn't cut enough. It may be able to be done by hand but would be time consuming.
Without seeing the condition in person, it's difficult to recommend an accurate course of treatment.
Feel free to contact us with any questions.
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At this time, we haven't composed a "how-to" based upon your specific question. Every vehicle presents a different course of remedy.
The buffer such as the Porter Cable 7424 is very safe for beginner or novice use. With its dual action performance, it impossible to burn the paint with this machine. Short of dropping it on the vehicle, it will greatly reduce the amount of surface blemishes on the paint surface.
We are a large proponent of this machine and the various specific task foam buffing pads. We shall be announcing a forum special regarding this buffer kit early next week. Stay tuned for more details.
The buffer such as the Porter Cable 7424 is very safe for beginner or novice use. With its dual action performance, it impossible to burn the paint with this machine. Short of dropping it on the vehicle, it will greatly reduce the amount of surface blemishes on the paint surface.
We are a large proponent of this machine and the various specific task foam buffing pads. We shall be announcing a forum special regarding this buffer kit early next week. Stay tuned for more details.
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Originally Posted by Pipelayaz
Have you guys done a write up on LS1tech on how to properly wax and remove scatches from a car?! Personally I know how to do your basic waxing job but I have zero info on what cutting is or does and I wouldn't want to burn my paint using a industrial power buffer. Any info or write ups to steer me in the right direction?
No matter how well written a "how to" guide is, it can't replace hands on experience .. it is hard to explain things like pressure, speed, what the product looks like once it has broken down correctly, etc ..
Best bet is to either learn by watching and talking to someone else, or just bite the bullet, buy yourself a kit, and start practicing ..
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Originally Posted by Gipraw
One of the best ways to learn is find someone in your area that is an experienced hobbyist, and is willing to show you first hand how to handle some of the issues. Steve is very correct in that using a DA (PC) is somethign anyone can learn, and pretty safe for a beginner.
No matter how well written a "how to" guide is, it can't replace hands on experience .. it is hard to explain things like pressure, speed, what the product looks like once it has broken down correctly, etc ..
Best bet is to either learn by watching and talking to someone else, or just bite the bullet, buy yourself a kit, and start practicing ..
No matter how well written a "how to" guide is, it can't replace hands on experience .. it is hard to explain things like pressure, speed, what the product looks like once it has broken down correctly, etc ..
Best bet is to either learn by watching and talking to someone else, or just bite the bullet, buy yourself a kit, and start practicing ..
Originally Posted by Steve@Tropi-Care
We are a large proponent of this machine and the various specific task foam buffing pads. We shall be announcing a forum special regarding this buffer kit early next week. Stay tuned for more details.
03-17-2007, 11:02 PM
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If I don't let the wax dry before taking it off I do notice some streaking. This is easily fixed by wiping it down with a microfiber cloth. I don't own a PC and I don't think I want to buy one just for this. What is the best way to strip off the wax/sealant? I think I'm just going to start over again. Is wet sanding the only way to get the scratches out of the clear coat. I don't have many so I previously just used zaino's anti-swirl compound which made every come out looking perfect.
So now I just need to find out how to strip off the wax and what I'll need to do to clean up the clear coat.
So now I just need to find out how to strip off the wax and what I'll need to do to clean up the clear coat.
03-18-2007, 08:18 PM
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OK I washed the car with Dawn and they clayed the car. I did this twice. I think all of the wax is off of the car. There are some small scratches in the clear. What should I do to get them out?
03-19-2007, 09:14 AM
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Your problem is layering like that. Use one good product and stick with it. End of story.
Use An alcohol solution as recommended earlier and strip that mess off and start over, do it as the product was intended to use. You will acheive much better results.
Use An alcohol solution as recommended earlier and strip that mess off and start over, do it as the product was intended to use. You will acheive much better results.