Suggest some stronger cutting power for my paint
04-01-2008, 05:18 AM
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Suggest some stronger cutting power for my paint My paint has been through quite a bit over its lifetime and is full of spider-webbing and some scratches. I've already tried using a yellow cutting pad w/ some Menzerna Intensive Polish on my PC dual action but it just isn't enough. After a couple slow, high-speed passes it just isn't enough. I can't seem to smooth the paint out.
Any suggestions? Should I take it somewhere and pay for a quality detail once to get it done right and just keep it up? I hate to do it because of the cost but I'm not sure what else to do.
Thanks.
Any suggestions? Should I take it somewhere and pay for a quality detail once to get it done right and just keep it up? I hate to do it because of the cost but I'm not sure what else to do.
Thanks.
04-01-2008, 03:11 PM
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i have the same problem. i spent about half an hour with meguirs swirl remover on one panel at a time with a buffer and couldnt get everything out. it made the swirls less noticable but i can still see spider webbing in the reflection of the sun on the car
04-01-2008, 06:11 PM
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Same problem. I was able to make it better but not where I want it.
This is what I was able to do last year.
BEFORE:
AFTER:
It looks great in that picture but it didn't turn out quite as well as it seems. Hit it with a different angle of light and there's a ton more swirls.
MadIce, what do you mean by a mild rubbing compound? I was pretty sure that Menzerna IP was a mild rubbing compound. I've heard that 3M Perfect-It is a bit rougher so I may turn to that... I wasn't sure if there was a better pad I should use or not.
This is what I was able to do last year.
BEFORE:
AFTER:
It looks great in that picture but it didn't turn out quite as well as it seems. Hit it with a different angle of light and there's a ton more swirls.
MadIce, what do you mean by a mild rubbing compound? I was pretty sure that Menzerna IP was a mild rubbing compound. I've heard that 3M Perfect-It is a bit rougher so I may turn to that... I wasn't sure if there was a better pad I should use or not.
04-01-2008, 06:58 PM
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I would think it is more abrasive...
Cut: A heavy cutting polish for serious paint imperfections. It removes heavy scratches, oxidation and sanding marks. It contains no silicones or waxes, making it safe on freshly painted surfaces. Recommended for use with a machine polisher. Requires a second step with Prima Swirl.
Swirl: A special medium abrasive for deeply cleaning paint and safely removing swirl marks without the use of waxes, silicones or fillers. Prima Swirl produces a smooth, swirl-free finish. It is safe and appropriate for all types of paint finishes, including clear-coat and freshly painted surfaces. Can be used by hand or with a machine polisher.
Finish: A light finishing polish used to remove fine paint imperfections, such as hazing left by a more aggressive polish. It is especially effective on soft paint (such as most BMW paint). Mild cleaners help remove oxidation buildup. Finish is silicone and wax free.
Amigo: Use it once and it's your new best friend! That's exactly what we said when we perfected this formula. Amigo is a unique product, unlike any other we've ever seen. It's a polymer-based glaze. Most glazes are not polymer-based and cannot be followed with a wax. Amigo offers all the properties of a high quality glaze while prepping your paint for wax- even synthetic wax. It fills light surface imperfections and cleans the finest remains of your other prep steps. It leaves a super glossy, slick finish, which looks especially impressive on dark paints. Truly an amazing product! Can be applied by hand, but machine polisher application will yield the most dramatic results. Does not contain any silicone or wax.
Epic: A synthetic wax with a wet-look gloss, superior durability, and extreme ease of use. Epic is wipe on, wait 30-45 minutes, then wipe off with ease. No elbow-grease required! The combinations of high quality resins and polymers creates a durable barrier to protect against UV and environmental damage. The slick finish is dust-resistant, preventing daily dust buildup. This is one of the very few synthetic waxes that looks fabulous on dark colors- even black! Allow approximately 1-2 ounces of Epic per wax application. Depending on exposure and environmental conditions, Epic will last 3-6 months.
Swirl: A special medium abrasive for deeply cleaning paint and safely removing swirl marks without the use of waxes, silicones or fillers. Prima Swirl produces a smooth, swirl-free finish. It is safe and appropriate for all types of paint finishes, including clear-coat and freshly painted surfaces. Can be used by hand or with a machine polisher.
Finish: A light finishing polish used to remove fine paint imperfections, such as hazing left by a more aggressive polish. It is especially effective on soft paint (such as most BMW paint). Mild cleaners help remove oxidation buildup. Finish is silicone and wax free.
Amigo: Use it once and it's your new best friend! That's exactly what we said when we perfected this formula. Amigo is a unique product, unlike any other we've ever seen. It's a polymer-based glaze. Most glazes are not polymer-based and cannot be followed with a wax. Amigo offers all the properties of a high quality glaze while prepping your paint for wax- even synthetic wax. It fills light surface imperfections and cleans the finest remains of your other prep steps. It leaves a super glossy, slick finish, which looks especially impressive on dark paints. Truly an amazing product! Can be applied by hand, but machine polisher application will yield the most dramatic results. Does not contain any silicone or wax.
Epic: A synthetic wax with a wet-look gloss, superior durability, and extreme ease of use. Epic is wipe on, wait 30-45 minutes, then wipe off with ease. No elbow-grease required! The combinations of high quality resins and polymers creates a durable barrier to protect against UV and environmental damage. The slick finish is dust-resistant, preventing daily dust buildup. This is one of the very few synthetic waxes that looks fabulous on dark colors- even black! Allow approximately 1-2 ounces of Epic per wax application. Depending on exposure and environmental conditions, Epic will last 3-6 months.
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04-01-2008, 07:48 PM
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I picked up a yellow medium cutting pad from Tropi-Care a while back and gave that a shot. It did a pretty good job but I think the polish is holding it back now. I'm not sure if it's a Lake Country pad or not... I'm thinking no. It was from their old website. I might just pick up a Lake Country yellow pad to be sure. I've got an orange pad from TC as well.
I might just have to try the Prima line. Luos has been recommending it to me for a while now... might as well give it a shot.
I might just have to try the Prima line. Luos has been recommending it to me for a while now... might as well give it a shot.
04-01-2008, 07:59 PM
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Well now that I'm looking at prices, I think I'm going to try this:
Prima Cut (yellow pad)
Menzerna IP (orange pad)
Red Moose Glaze (blue pad)
Prima Epic
I like my RM Glaze and the Menzerna IP should be about the same as Prima Swirl.
Prima Cut (yellow pad)
Menzerna IP (orange pad)
Red Moose Glaze (blue pad)
Prima Epic
I like my RM Glaze and the Menzerna IP should be about the same as Prima Swirl.
04-01-2008, 08:10 PM
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Prima cut is slightly more abrasive than IP in my experience. Have you tried using a smaller pad? I've taken some nasty defects out with IP and a 5.5'' orange pad.
There are many products more abrasive than IP but you have to keep in mind a PC/DA might not be able to break a true compound down properly.
Prima makes some pretty good stuff. The only product I don't really like is the Prima Finish. I'll stick to Menzerna FPII for my finishing polish.
There are many products more abrasive than IP but you have to keep in mind a PC/DA might not be able to break a true compound down properly.
Prima makes some pretty good stuff. The only product I don't really like is the Prima Finish. I'll stick to Menzerna FPII for my finishing polish.
