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iTrader: (11)

Hi guys, I bought my car with a converter in it. The previous owner told me that it was a Vigilante 3200, but I don't believe him. Everything I've read says that the Vig 3200 actually stalls or at least flashes to ~3800 in an LS1, and mine doesn't feel that loose but this is also my first automatic car so I have nothing to compare it to. What is your opinion? Please right-click and save the video(s) to your hard drive:

Short version, 8.6MB: http://www.ls1sounds.com/vids/chad_in-car.wmv
Full version, 35.9MB: http://www.ls1sounds.com/vids/chad_in-car_full.wmv

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iTrader: (9)

I'm on a dial up right now and those file sizes scare me

The best way to tell what the converter is stalling in your car is to watch where the rpms fall back to right after the shift. This is also referred to as shift extension and what I believe to reflect true stall speed.

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iTrader: (11)

If my eyeballs aren't lying to me, it looks like the RPMs are dropping back down to around 4700-4800 after the shifts. I should be getting HP Tuners soon, and I'll have a more accurate reading when I can do some logging.

I wouldn't d/l those files on dial-up either!!!

Kenafin_02TA

Towards the end...the one shifts I saw it looked like it dropped back down to ~4200rpm. Earlier on there was one shift that looked like it dropped to the upper 4000 rpm's after the shift...but was that WOT?

The convertor was just installed this past weekend in my car..and this is my first experiance with a stalled ls1...but when you were just cruising around..you were running lower rpm's that I do. You were running under 3k...where I'm between 3k and 3200 I've found..but I'm also running a TCS 4200. Not sure if that means anything or not in terms of verifying what stall you have. I haven't had the chance yet to go WOT with the convertor in...so I have no idea how mines going to flash then...(I know how it flashed in the previous owners car..but his car was setup differently than mine in terms of weight and mods done...)

GT Griller

iTrader: (8)

I don't have a stall on my car but my friend does. His supposed to be a 2800 or so stall but he can only get it to like 2000-2200. The number they give is only an estimate. From what i have heard the number they give is the highest u can stall but it doesn't mean that u can actually stall that high.

TheHauntedZ28

I have a 3500 stall in my 2002 and to be honest with you, the car is shifting exactly if not a bit firmer with this stall then when I had the stock stall. And I've got 2.73s. I've read a lot around the board that putting gears like 3.42s or 3.73s it'll firm up the shifts. Do you know if the stall is the only mod on the car?? And no, that's not the highest it'll stall. I powerbrake and the tires will start turning at about 2600-2800. But from a dead stop and letting the hammer down it'll shoot up to AROUND 3500( i haven't seen for sure yet)But I've heard that Vig flash up higher than what they say. If at every gear change it's shifting down to about 4700... then I wouldn't doubt it that it's around 3200.

2001 White Ws6

iTrader: (1)

From what i saw it seems pretty loose, looser then mine is. I have a MW 3400 2.0 with 3.23 gears. Normal accel. puts me around 2k-2500rpms. I thought the Vig 3200 was actually a 3600 stall speed. Not too keen on the shift extensions but when mine shifts it drops just a bit lower then 4500rpms.

Do you have anymore info on the car as far as mods and what gears it has?

SmokingWS6

iTrader: (1)

I'd put money on a vig3200 Its behaving exactly like my vig3200 except i've fooled around with shift points a bit to firm up shifts. Shift kit? has it been tuned, if not it'll need TM deleted ect, I noticed the ses light. The video almost makes me miss my gear whine lol j/k

SmokingWS6

iTrader: (1)

Also, don't forget shift extension is a function of power. If he had a heads cam car his SE might be just above 5,000 rpm

calongo_SS

iTrader: (7)

You can't determine stall from SE to my knoledge. The only way to know for sure is if you have a trans brake, it will rev to your stall. A less exact way is to set your e-brake, foot brake it hard and rev it up unit tires brake loose or the engine stalls. Add 500 rpms to this and you get your true stall. There is a thread from a while back that goes into much more detail on this subject.

Here's one. I think there's another too...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...etermine+stall

Keenov

iTrader: (5)

It seems like a 3200 or so stall.

Any reason why not to beleive the guy that sold you the car? I don't see why he would lie to you about that, unless you stole his women or something

By the way, you run too many stop signs :/

12secSS

iTrader: (30)

By the looks of it, and from my experience with a Vig3200, that is what you got. That is if you have the 3.23 gears. I'll see if I can find my old Vig3200 videos, looks very similar to your video.

94form2000z

iTrader: (10)

Well I've had both the Vig2800 and 3600 and you have neither. My money is on a Vig3200 as well.

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iTrader: (11)

The only other mod that I found after I bought the car was the !FRA mod. The owner told me that he used to have an MTI lid and an SLP MAF on it as well, but they were both gone when I picked it up from the dealer.
At the time I shot the videos, I had performed all of the free mods: free ram air, ported throttle body, cut the end off the EGR tube in the intake, and coolant bypass. It also had a TSP lid and an open Zed-style cutout on an otherwise stock exhaust. It has 3.23:1 gears, whining loudly in the rear end.
No shift kit, but I do have a TransGo sitting in the box waiting for install. I was thinking of having this converter re-stalled if it wasn't a 3200 and I was going to put it in at the same time. The SES light was some fluke that I haven't been able to duplicate since. The gears whine something fierce!!! I figure I'll run it that way until it breaks, then get a 12 bolt.
I'm not sure why I was skeptical about what the previous owner told me... I've cut a best 60' of 1.73 on Nitto DRs, and my car doesn't run bad or anything... I guess I just wanted to verify what I had before pulling it out and spending a few hundred bucks on a multidisc re-stall. I don't think I've stolen any of his women, but I guess anything is possible. My philosophy is: No cop, no stop.

Thanks for the input!

I checked the shift extension again last night, and it looked like it is dropping back down to ~4,850 on the 2-3 shift. The only change in mods are the cold weather, and replacing the stock exhaust with an SLP DD cat-back.

Thanks for all of the confirmation guys! I think I will hold off on getting it re-stalled. I am doing a bunch of mods this winter, so maybe my car will run more like I expect it to in the spring with some 1.6 60' times. Best ET was a 12.9 with full leather interior, drag radials, and good air so I probably shouldn't complain too much.

I'll try to post another video after I get my headers and everything installed!

SmokingWS6

iTrader: (1)

I'm convinced 100% its a 3200. I have a video of mine and it behaves the same. I think we have the same mods. I have tuning, lid, cutout, free mods, except I have a new rear end. I can pull 12.96 @ 105 on street tires and 12.7 @106 with et streets. It has a little left in it, I only got two passes on streets so I never got the launch down.

Edit: if its tuned, do you have the .bin file for it? every time I spin through first it'll bang the revlimiter before it shifts. I can't figure out what to change. My pcm won't command the shift untill about 6200 which is what my limiter is set it.

Scotty-Z

iTrader: (5)

Could you possibly post up the vid of your car? I'd like to see how your stall acts. Hell, maybe I could just meet you and ride in it...

SmokingWS6

iTrader: (1)

No prob, I don't have any videos but its exactly like the above video. Only thing different is my driving style is a little more agressive so my rpm gets up there a tad more when acclerating.