What has more potential to be quicker? auto or manual?
11-05-2006, 09:44 PM
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What has more potential to be quicker? auto or manual? While trying to look for a car for sale, I'm noticing that most of the quick cars are manuals. Is there a reason for this? I know that an auto w/stall is great, but it seems that some of these really fast guys are doing 6 speeds w/4.56 gears. An auto probably should only have 3.73's I'd assume, but what are your thoughts?
11-05-2006, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nomorews6
While trying to look for a car for sale, I'm noticing that most of the quick cars are manuals. Is there a reason for this? I know that an auto w/stall is great, but it seems that some of these really fast guys are doing 6 speeds w/4.56 gears. An auto probably should only have 3.73's I'd assume, but what are your thoughts?
A fluid coupling (torque converter) will do what a clutch can't, and that's keep the car in the powerband all the time and multiply the torque going to the wheels. On a dyno it may show as less power, but those numbers will lie every time. Keep in mind shift time is near instantaneous also.
11-05-2006, 10:06 PM
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It requires a lot less talent to extract lower 60ft times on a stalled auto than an M6.
Prime example: one of my closest friends (Letsndy on this board) has a 6m firehawk. He has a g5x3, moser 12 bolt, 3.73's, all the bolt ons, full suspension, mccleod twin disk, short shifter and runs 16" Et streets at the track. His best 60ft time to date (i'd say 30 or more track passes) is a 1.73. One of only 3 runs that actually made it into the 1.7x range.
Now, I go to the track with my 17" et street radials, drive around the waterbox, do a short burnout to clean the tires off and dead hook mid/late 1.6's all day. On a hot day it'll be in the low 1.7 range again with no spin. This is on a heavy car (3700lb raceweight). I do have suspension mods though. On Nitto's, my best was a 1.69 with an all stock suspension.
Now, these numbers are not that impressive but what does stand out that on a 17" radial (likely street race) I'm never worried about a six speed unless he's running an et street that's 16" or smaller and has to do a honey of a burnout on top of it.
With that being said, there were a ton of guys just a few years ago running the bigger Yanks (pt4400) with 3.73's on stock internals breaking into the late 1.4 range. That is damn impressive, especially since most were just stab and steer.
Prime example: one of my closest friends (Letsndy on this board) has a 6m firehawk. He has a g5x3, moser 12 bolt, 3.73's, all the bolt ons, full suspension, mccleod twin disk, short shifter and runs 16" Et streets at the track. His best 60ft time to date (i'd say 30 or more track passes) is a 1.73. One of only 3 runs that actually made it into the 1.7x range.
Now, I go to the track with my 17" et street radials, drive around the waterbox, do a short burnout to clean the tires off and dead hook mid/late 1.6's all day. On a hot day it'll be in the low 1.7 range again with no spin. This is on a heavy car (3700lb raceweight). I do have suspension mods though. On Nitto's, my best was a 1.69 with an all stock suspension.
Now, these numbers are not that impressive but what does stand out that on a 17" radial (likely street race) I'm never worried about a six speed unless he's running an et street that's 16" or smaller and has to do a honey of a burnout on top of it.
With that being said, there were a ton of guys just a few years ago running the bigger Yanks (pt4400) with 3.73's on stock internals breaking into the late 1.4 range. That is damn impressive, especially since most were just stab and steer.
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Ive had both and the auto is definatly the way to go for drag racing. With my yank ss 4000 i pulled my best 60ft 1.52 on motor. My best with the m6 with a 150 shot was a high 1.5. I wish i had new track numbers but i put the auto in 2 month ago and havent had time to dial it in. Was running out of gear with the 410s. I did run a 10.8 bouncing off the limiter and shifting into od. My best with the m6 was a 10.9 once.
11-05-2006, 10:58 PM
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What has more potential? Automatic all day. Stepping into the new era of automatics like BMWs computer controlled hydraulic clutch and Audi's dual clutch and hell there's more I can't think of right now will shift faster than a human can shift a standard transmission. So the answer is pretty simple.
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11-05-2006, 11:12 PM
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Automatic all the way , they with the right converter keep you in your peak power band the whole way , And with the tranny built and tuned right you cant out shift one.And auto can be tuned to make the shift at a precise time at wot everytime and it take a milisecond to make that shift and will do it every time exactly the same .
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I think the most people will say that Stalled autos are quicker, but the m6 are way more fun to drive. I agree, but I have an auto and looking at installing a high stall tc.
11-06-2006, 08:58 PM
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Not true at all...the quicker cars are going to be stalled autos.
A fluid coupling (torque converter) will do what a clutch can't, and that's keep the car in the powerband all the time and multiply the torque going to the wheels. On a dyno it may show as less power, but those numbers will lie every time. Keep in mind shift time is near instantaneous also.
A fluid coupling (torque converter) will do what a clutch can't, and that's keep the car in the powerband all the time and multiply the torque going to the wheels. On a dyno it may show as less power, but those numbers will lie every time. Keep in mind shift time is near instantaneous also.
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Originally Posted by daniel6718
a good driver in a 6 speed, will beat an auto anyday, with money in the suspension gears drivetrain, thats what the fastest record holders are all sticks, bolt on cam only, stock bottom end and fastest na...
