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06-05-2009, 11:32 AM
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2) It really infuriates me when people jump on this site and question peoples patriotism and loyalty by what car they drive when it's a ****** free market and the world is based on capitalism and free trade (Please don't lecture me on "Oh it's not free, we are taxed more then the other guys" That wasn't the point of the statment). GM had their hay day, and they screwed up, and people left. Good for them that they are stepping up to the plate and finally making cars that people want, even though they had to sell off half their ****. Good for them. I really am thrilled that they are doing the right thing and not only making reliable cars now but cars that actually look decent. I honestly would look at purchasing a new car from Ford if I was in the market, GM, Chrysler not so much due to their financial state.
Plus the fact that these people have no clue who anyone is that they are judging besides a ******* screen name on some ******* internet forum. They have no clue who that person is, what they do for a living, who they donate their time or money to, what charities are close to their hearts, who their family’s work for, nothing. They are ignorant and just plain ******** if they think because of the car that might be in my/their garage makes them any less of an American or love our country any less.
Since we don't know you, we can't "judge" you. But you can call us ignorant and ******** since you know us *so* well, right?
If you think buying a car made in another country helps our country just as much as buying a car that was made in America, who's the ignorant one again?
3) I think it's just as nuts to think that people don’t use past experiences, and other peoples reviews of a product when they purchase cars or cloths, or whatever else they made need. Everyone keeps saying ‘History repeats it’s self’ when they talk about the economy and what’s going on around us now, and they are right, so if someone bought a 92 Pontiac and had it blow up in 45,000 miles, why would they run out to buy another one when they are more expensive now and when their neighbors Honda ran to 200,000 with oil changes? It doesn’t matter that people on here say “Oh my truck lasted me 300,000 with nothing wrong ”Maybe if you were that guys neighbor that had a horrible experience he would have bought a truck instead of the Honda. Past buying experiences are huge plain and simple and till the world/nation/the guy next door all have Malibu’s or whatever in their drive way, people are still gonna look at the import guys. Your buddy is a perfect example his last experience has changed his mind about Chevy. I wonder what would have happened though if he got in one of those butt ugly Luminas from the mid 90s? Or one of those hideous Monte Carlos from early 2000’s Think he would be head over heals still? Maybe GM should give everyone a pass for a day to drive one of their cars around all day long to prove to everyone that they are back at the top?
My dad had 89 suburban when I was a kid. It was worked 454, ľ ton, 4:10 rear, it was made for towing mountains, and the thing sucked ***** it couldn’t tow a travel trailer up a hill with out shitting the bed. It was in the dealer every other week with problems, from no power, computer problems water pumps you name it had it. Finally he got tired of nickling and diming it, he bought a Dodge Diesel instead, and since day one has had no problems. He will never buy a Chevy again because of that truck. Look at that, his past experience played a roll in the type of car is going to get…who would have thought. He will probably buy 10 more cars in his life time, and none will be a GM name plate. Past experience.
And finally….”Well, I hate that the Fast and the Furious generation has brought this thread into the usual argument that always pops up in this section. I would hope that this type of discussion would stay on the Honda Forums where it belongs.” What the **** does that mean? Are implying just because I and a few others don’t jump on the “Oh holy GM, how great you are, You have done nothing wrong ever, I will always blindly buy you, no matter what” I’m a Fast and the Furious Generation???? Just for the record, I have only own 2 cars in my life, one 89 Camaro, and on 02 Camaro and my fiancé has only own two jeeps. So please if you think I’m a fan boy, go take a long walk of a very short pier.
My dad had 89 suburban when I was a kid. It was worked 454, ľ ton, 4:10 rear, it was made for towing mountains, and the thing sucked ***** it couldn’t tow a travel trailer up a hill with out shitting the bed. It was in the dealer every other week with problems, from no power, computer problems water pumps you name it had it. Finally he got tired of nickling and diming it, he bought a Dodge Diesel instead, and since day one has had no problems. He will never buy a Chevy again because of that truck. Look at that, his past experience played a roll in the type of car is going to get…who would have thought. He will probably buy 10 more cars in his life time, and none will be a GM name plate. Past experience.
And finally….”Well, I hate that the Fast and the Furious generation has brought this thread into the usual argument that always pops up in this section. I would hope that this type of discussion would stay on the Honda Forums where it belongs.” What the **** does that mean? Are implying just because I and a few others don’t jump on the “Oh holy GM, how great you are, You have done nothing wrong ever, I will always blindly buy you, no matter what” I’m a Fast and the Furious Generation???? Just for the record, I have only own 2 cars in my life, one 89 Camaro, and on 02 Camaro and my fiancé has only own two jeeps. So please if you think I’m a fan boy, go take a long walk of a very short pier.
This is an extremely simple concept and yet it's somehow eluding you, so let me try to simplify it even more:
When you buy an American car it helps America.
Get it?
Nobody is saying you can't buy or drive a foreign car in America.
Nobody is saying you hate your country.
Nobody is questioning your patriotism.
Do you help your country and its economy more when you buy American? Yes.
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06-05-2009, 12:11 PM
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You're right no one questioned ones patriotism, or loyalty to a country. No one has associated buying a foreign car makes one less American. Sorry for wasting your time.
06-05-2009, 12:46 PM
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I've had numerous bad experiences with almost all the imports i've driven or worked on, but i'd never completely rule out any of their automaker's current offerings based only on those experiences. I'd do some research, see how their vehicles stack up TODAY, then go look at what catches my interest, and buy what I like the most. I will say that American cars do carry more weight in my decisions - i.e. if I find two cars I like equally at equal prices, I will take the American one for that reason.
06-05-2009, 01:17 PM
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I not saying people should give up on a car manuf. just because of the bad experiences they've had, my point was just that experiences shape peoples buying habits plain and simple.
06-05-2009, 04:15 PM
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And finally….”Well, I hate that the Fast and the Furious generation has brought this thread into the usual argument that always pops up in this section. I would hope that this type of discussion would stay on the Honda Forums where it belongs.” What the **** does that mean? Are implying just because I and a few others don’t jump on the “Oh holy GM, how great you are, You have done nothing wrong ever, I will always blindly buy you, no matter what” I’m a Fast and the Furious Generation???? Just for the record, I have only own 2 cars in my life, one 89 Camaro, and on 02 Camaro and my fiancé has only own two jeeps. So please if you think I’m a fan boy, go take a long walk of a very short pier.
Sorry, couldn't help myself
06-05-2009, 06:22 PM
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06-10-2009, 04:09 AM
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Are you serious????? You judge a persons loyalty to the country and other important things by the car they drive? Is that what I'm reading there? Really?
So if I drive a BMW, but sit on my local RNC committee, pettition for vet rights, and all the other jazz out there, you still question a persons loyalty.
Yea it worked 50 years ago...the world was different 50 years ago. As was said earlier, everyone else is catching up or surpassing...maybe we should have to instead of sit on our lurals.
So if I drive a BMW, but sit on my local RNC committee, pettition for vet rights, and all the other jazz out there, you still question a persons loyalty.
Yea it worked 50 years ago...the world was different 50 years ago. As was said earlier, everyone else is catching up or surpassing...maybe we should have to instead of sit on our lurals.
It seems pretty clear to me from what he said- "if one's loyalty is to only Japanese or German vehicles""how do I know for sure that their loyalty for the more important things such as governement policy and/or support of our military aren't questionable as well?"
---buying a Japanese or German vehicle makes your loyalty questionable---
my wife's Pathfinder makes my loyalty to this country questionable.
LS1LT1 said it, popapork
---buying a Japanese or German vehicle makes your loyalty questionable---
my wife's Pathfinder makes my loyalty to this country questionable.
LS1LT1 said it, popapork
06-10-2009, 06:03 AM
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And the better America's **** is, the more likely people are to buy it. As simple as that.
06-10-2009, 07:33 AM
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I'm sorry that we remind you that your ex-girlfriends had more common sense then you.
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06-10-2009, 05:11 PM
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I'm not getting into the "buying foreign goods is un-american" argument because there's alot of grey there.
06-11-2009, 07:22 AM
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I'm not saying that not buying American good is good. My rant is the fact that people equate buying a toyota as unAmerican. And that there are real reasons why people are buying the other 3's cars, it's not just, "Oh I'm gonna go buy a car today and it just HAS to be a Honda."
You're right there is a ton of grey area that comes with that can of worms.
You're right there is a ton of grey area that comes with that can of worms.
06-11-2009, 05:31 PM
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People are gullible, plain and simple.
06-12-2009, 03:31 AM
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Maybe, but he's still got you here. What he said IS correct. The best you can do to support your country is make it a habit to buy american. Whether or not the stuff is made 100% here, whether or not the company has factories overseas, whether or not the majority of employees are here or elsewhere...you will do more good for the country buying from an american company, plain and simple. Arguing otherwise is futile.
Seriously, do you really think that there are "real" reasons? C'mon now...people are idiots, plain and simple. The reason that people eat up these bland toyotas and hondas is that they've been brainwashed for the last 20 years by those companies marketing departments to believe that they can do no wrong. VW is the perfect example of this...do you realize how many people out there still think a VW is a super-reliable high-quality car? Despite the fact that they've been dead-last or near to dead-last in quality and reliability studies since the late 90's?
People are gullible, plain and simple.
People are gullible, plain and simple.
06-12-2009, 07:29 AM
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Seriously, do you really think that there are "real" reasons? C'mon now...people are idiots, plain and simple. The reason that people eat up these bland toyotas and hondas is that they've been brainwashed for the last 20 years by those companies marketing departments to believe that they can do no wrong. VW is the perfect example of this...do you realize how many people out there still think a VW is a super-reliable high-quality car? Despite the fact that they've been dead-last or near to dead-last in quality and reliability studies since the late 90's?
People are gullible, plain and simple.
People are gullible, plain and simple.
But don't you think that maybe the sub par quality (sub par is probably not the right word) of 90s Gm vechiles might have played some part in people jumping ship? And good for the marketing wizards who were able to see that flaw and go after it.
06-12-2009, 11:30 AM
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I'm not saying people aren't gullible.
But don't you think that maybe the sub par quality (sub par is probably not the right word) of 90s Gm vechiles might have played some part in people jumping ship? And good for the marketing wizards who were able to see that flaw and go after it.
But don't you think that maybe the sub par quality (sub par is probably not the right word) of 90s Gm vechiles might have played some part in people jumping ship? And good for the marketing wizards who were able to see that flaw and go after it.
We don't need to argue about the ACTUAL quality of any vehicle, as it has no bearing on what the general public buys. To understand this, we need to study what marketing ploys have worked and which ones haven't.
06-12-2009, 08:36 PM
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Seriously, do you really think that there are "real" reasons? C'mon now...people are idiots, plain and simple. The reason that people eat up these bland toyotas and hondas is that they've been brainwashed for the last 20 years by those companies marketing departments to believe that they can do no wrong. VW is the perfect example of this...do you realize how many people out there still think a VW is a super-reliable high-quality car? Despite the fact that they've been dead-last or near to dead-last in quality and reliability studies since the late 90's?
People are gullible, plain and simple.
People are gullible, plain and simple.
06-12-2009, 09:19 PM
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Patriotism aside GM really has a hit with the new Malibu, I've heard it is turning a lot of Toyotaholic's over to the dark side. Hopefully GM will have as much success with the Camaro and the Cruze when it comes out.
Oh and yes buying American does help America, buying Japanese helps Japan, and buying German helps Germany. Korean cars break down a lot which is why you get the buy one get one free deal.
Oh and yes buying American does help America, buying Japanese helps Japan, and buying German helps Germany. Korean cars break down a lot which is why you get the buy one get one free deal.
06-13-2009, 03:36 PM
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TV - Sony XBR (made in San Diego)
Stereo - Audiosource amps (made in Oregon), and I build my own speakers, using Dayton components (made in Dayton, Ohio).
shoes - Oakley (made in Foothill Ranch, California)
tires - Goodyear Eagle (made in Topeka, Kansas)
computer - Build my own
furniture - La-Z-Boy (made in Monroe, Michigan)
tools - Craftsman (nuff said)
Notice how every one of these brands is considered the best or one of the best in it's respective arena.
Stereo - Audiosource amps (made in Oregon), and I build my own speakers, using Dayton components (made in Dayton, Ohio).
shoes - Oakley (made in Foothill Ranch, California)
tires - Goodyear Eagle (made in Topeka, Kansas)
computer - Build my own
furniture - La-Z-Boy (made in Monroe, Michigan)
tools - Craftsman (nuff said)
Notice how every one of these brands is considered the best or one of the best in it's respective arena.
*The Sony facility was closed down
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...-lose-sd-jobs/
*Craftsman brand hand tools, made for SEARS by Danaher Tool Group, are now a mix of USA-made and imported.
*(Craftsman power tools are all imported).
here is the link about Craftsman tools
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/tools.html
*Do you believe that all the components in the computer you "build" were
made in the USA other than the processor?
*Goodyear -many many recalls going on of Goodyear tires-
for your safety and the safety of your family please check and make sure
that your tires are not part of any of the recalls.
06-13-2009, 07:29 PM
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Then here's an idea. DON'T. What's the point of this anyway? It's a bunch of useless info.
This...
...doesn't change the fact that mine and many other's TVs were made there.
This...
...doesn't change the fact that the tools that I have WERE made in the USA.
This...
...is a very dumb statement to make since you clearly don't know what you are talking about. I do take great care to try to build my computers with american made parts wherever possible. It's not possible to completely build an all american computer in alot of cases, but that's not under my control.
This...
...is really dumb. Care to list these recalls? "many" means different things to different people.
In short, if you just want to pick a fight, stop wasting our time and go read up on american products. Do something beneficial with your life instead of wasting the time of others who already have.
This...
*The Sony facility was closed down
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...-lose-sd-jobs/
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...-lose-sd-jobs/
This...
*Craftsman brand hand tools, made for SEARS by Danaher Tool Group, are now a mix of USA-made and imported.
*(Craftsman power tools are all imported).
here is the link about Craftsman tools
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/tools.html
*(Craftsman power tools are all imported).
here is the link about Craftsman tools
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/tools.html
This...
This...
In short, if you just want to pick a fight, stop wasting our time and go read up on american products. Do something beneficial with your life instead of wasting the time of others who already have.