UltraZLS1

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http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103611

TriShield

Camaro-matching powertrains or not, the Mustang still isn't an equal to the Camaro's style inside and out.

06 6.0 GTO

Outside is real subjective, but inside i believe the mustang completely outshines the camaro in every way.

WECIV

Debating if one of these cars is superior or not is pointless. Either you love one or the other or hate one or the other. These cars are purely about passion...like picking blondes, redheads, or brunettes there is no scientific leader. If one of them is leading performance wise the other ups the ante and on and on to ad nauseum.

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RPM WS6

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I agree, unless we're talking about the previous generation of Camaro vs the "then-current" Mustang. In which case, Camaro was in a whole different universe performance-wise.

ThisBlood147

Once again, this is purely opinion. You need to use the words "I think that" in front of your sentences a bit more.
Agreed +10

If we're really lucky these two cars will exhange sales leads back and forth for the next 10 years. It can only mean some amazing cars from both GM and Ford will surely be headed our way. Win win.

UltraZLS1

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I agree 110%.

TriShield

Spot on.

Blakbird24

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Hate to say I told you so...but...well...I did.

Right now the Camaro is the "cooler" car, and thus it will be holding the sales lead for the foreseeable future. As f-body guys know well, performance is not directly proportional to sales.

Irunelevens

I think that the "new toy" appeal of the Camaro will be dying down fairly soon, as the used car supply rises.

Blakbird24

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I think that has already started to happen actually. It's not going to have a noticeable effect on sales vs. competitors though, since the Camaro will remain the more desireable of it's competition until one of the three undergoes a thorough redesign.

UltraZLS1

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I told the exact same thing to a certain moderator on this board and basically got called an idiot.

Oh well...I could care less either way.

I love my new camaro...im glad to see it sell well so hopefully they dont stop making the damn thing again lol

ThisBlood147

I'm actually kinda hoping Mustang sales take a dip next year around this time....will make it easier to get my Boss 302 at MSRP.

Regardless, congrats to the Camaro. It seems to be holding steady in sales. Not a big blow to the Mustang to be second, really, since it's not a model line that is on probation. I do agree that it would have been more effective if Ford had held off it's "refresh" on the chassis/styling until the new drivetrains were ready, but I guess they felt they had to do something new to keep from getting run over too badly in 2010 by the new kids on the block. Plus, if you're interested in the new Mustangs, but don't care about power, there's some KILLER deals to be had on leftover 2010's.

Blakbird24

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At this point, you can bet the Camaro is here to stay. The next generation platform is already undergoing testing...that's confirmation that Camaro is back for good.

It's great to see not only that the Camaro will stay, but also that Ford has taken this car seriously enough to build the Mustang that they are currently offering. Regardless of which car is in front, it's great to have them so close in performance...it's the first time this has happened since the 60's.

RPM WS6

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'87-'92 was equally similar stock for stock (when the F-body was optioned with the L98 350ci).

During the dark ages of the mid-'70s to the mid-'80s, performance was generally too poor to even worry about.

UltraZLS1

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The 1990-1992 350tpi cars at 245hp 345tq were dead nuts with the 5.0. I would think faster most of the time considering you would need a gifted 5 speed driver in the mustang to match. The auto 5.0 had NO CHANCE vs an l98 stock for stock. Things would have been very interesting if they could have thrown the zf-6 manual tranny in with the L98.

http://www.prophetsofmadness.com/iro...endofanera.htm

14.4 @ 98 with motor trend. Not too bad IMO.

The 1992 z28 was ALMOST made with an lt-1 and a 6 speed. They actually made a couple cars with this config but never made it to production obviously. That would have been sweet as fuc!

As far as modding potential/platform...no so much IMO. The 5.0 had that for sure.

88blackgt

a manual notch was easily the quickest of the regular production cars; same as now the camaro was too heavy

UltraZLS1

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Didnt some people get them into very high 13's stock? Fastest I have seen (reliably) for the later L98's was 14.1.

But no...I would in no way say easily. They were close.

The cars were 200lbs apart btw...32xx vs 34xx. 200 pound difference. 20 hp difference/45 tq difference. Sounds like a good match up. Offering only auto held the L98 back a bit. I have seen high 13's from them with minimal mods and a shift kit. (great conditions obviously)

Aside from that...I wouldnt be caught dead in a notch..I thought they were hideous.

Funny how auto to auto was such a difference though. Buddys of mine had a 1990 gt auto and another 1991 forumla 350. The formula would seriously MURDER that car every time.

Besides regular production. 1991-1992 firehawk. Started at 40k (in 91 lol). They made 25 of them total. 350-375 hp (few were made with 375) 390tq 34xx pounds. 6 speed. .94g skid pad. Bad ***. I dont doubt they would out run an ls1 car.

Irunelevens

Mustang automatics sucked till '05, everybody knows that.

RPM WS6

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A B4C/stripper Camaro 5.7L or a low-option Formula 350 wasn't that heavy. They were an excellent match 1/4 mile-wise for the 5.0, even the notch.

Just like today, it's really a driver's race. You're kidding yourself if you think that the new 5.0 is "easily" faster than the new SS (same goes for a '92 notch vs a '92 stripper TPI 350).